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Okay, Catholic Scientist- With air going into a vacuum-cleaner, the air loses pressure as it approaches the nozzle and that's the same thing as expansion. Where is the contraction?Our Universe is a vortex, like the Milky Way - but if it passes thru' a particularly dense part of space, it could grow. That's why I don't like to say it's contracting.

First off - Taq you have to understand the Universe isn't expanding. Nobody can see the Universe. What we can see is the Observable Universe.Anybody who claims he can see the Universe is just pretending. One of the things we know about the Observable Universe is that the 'accelerating expansion.' and any 'accelertating expansion' is inward. This I explain in my "Observati0onal Evidence" at the beginning of this thread.As for the Central-Vac and the snowball, I'm just trying to show that any 'Accelerating Expansion' is inward. I explain this accelerating expansion on the same page.Sure, it has not much to do with the movement of the Observable Universe. As for your description of 'expansion,' as far as I'm concerned - I think matter is moving away from other matter, tho' you may disagree.Blue shifting does not apply. Air moving towards a Central Vac (CV) will lose pressure (I'm sure you can see that) and that's expansion (Red shift). The air entering the nozzle of the CV is in its
most expanded state and also at its highest speed.I hope that answers your doubts.

Panda.
I'm sure you know that as the air approaches the nozzle it's in its most expanded state. Are you going to tell me that's not Inward?AS for your serial killer I'm not interested.

I'm sorry I don't understand your question, Dr Adequate.

Percy, you are obviously an intelligent person. Nobody can see the Universe - only the Observable Universe.As for your 'slowing down' of the expansion - this is entirely without evidence. There is much wrong with your Big-Bang - you have an accelerating expansion that is Outward. Such a thing does not existThe Universe is trillions of years old. The expansion started only slowly and has since accelerated. All Outward Expansions slow do-wn.
Only Inward Expansions speed up. I explain this in my "Observational Evidence" earlier in this thread. There was no Big-Bang, there is no Dark Energy. Both fabrications.

Percy, the expansion has always been Inward. Our Universe evolved - there was no Big Bang.The acceleration started slowly, trillions of years ago, and has since accelerated. We're not going out, Percy. We're going in.I explain this in my Observational Evidence, at the beginning of this thread.

Percy, I may be a loon, either that or very intelligent.I repeat, there was no Big Bang. Such a thing is unthinkable. The Universe evolved slowly, trillions of years ago. The expansion started slowly and has since accelerated.Everything was in the same place,3.8 billionyears ago? Why did everything go to the same place? I'm very sceptical about your Big Bang.People used to believe Man was made, 'poof ' just like in the Bible but Darwin came along and taught us Man evolved only slowly. People still believe the Universe was made 'poof' just like in the Bible (the Church loves it) but I say the Universe evolved only slowly.

Panda, I'm really surprised you don't understand. Let me be absoutely clear.2 kinds of expansion (okay so far?) the first (1) starts by accelerating and then slows down (an explosion - are we okay so far?) and the second kind (2) which starts slowly and then accelerates; Air moving towards the nozzle of a Central Vac starts slowly and then accelerates.Please tell me which part you can't understand.Any 'accelerating expansion' is inward. Outward expansions all slow down. If it's accelerating, it's Inward. Can you understand this?

Iblis, the Observable Universe is expanding - red shifted. Can we agree? Any expansion is going to be red-shifted. I thought you knew
that!
A black hole turned inside out? How do you do that?I explain why the expansion is accelerating in my 'Observational Evidence' on page 1 of this thread.

No Nukes, I don't understand. Please try to stay co-herant.

Catholic Scientist, the air enters the nozzle in its most expanded state and at its highest speed, You're thinking this would be blue shifted? I disagree.A Galaxy can grow, Catholic Scientist, if it passes thru' a particularly 'rich' zone in Space, I think that's how many of them reached their present size.Why would this cause the Galaxies to approach each other? I don't understand that. Please explain.

John F, are you going to tell me acceleration doesn't lead to loss of pressure? And yes, the air going over the airfoil has to do this in the same amount of time - definitely. If this air was slower, it would build up into a high pressure. Faster? why would it travel faster - faster then it already does?
Incoherant gibbering? That's an insult - but I'll answer it anyway. I make an effort to be as clear as I can. Please show me the 'incoherant gibbering' as you call it.

Taq, falling into a black hole is a lot like going into a vacuum cleaner, in that the air is at its most expanded as it enterts the nozzle, and also at it's highest speed.
If we were falling into a black hole we also would be in our most expanded state and at our highest speed.I think you would see a red shift with all that expansion going on.As for the vortex, in any vortex you would accelerate, and that would cause you to lose pressure and expand. Any expansion is red-shift.Let me know if you have any trouble with this. I know, with everything converging on the nozzle, you would expect a high pressure, but this is not what happens - instead you have a vacuum at the nozzle.

Percy, have you read my 'Observational Evidence' on page 1? There I offer evidence that we are going 'in' rather than out.
You ask for evidence and there it is.Nobody and no telescope can see beyond the Observable Universe (OU) and anybody who says he can is just pretending. A Belgian Priest, LeMaitre, on hearing the OU was expanding, assumed the entire Universe was expanding Outwardly and that there must have been a Big Bang to get this started (celestial fireworks, anyway).There is no evidence the Universe is expanding. It was assumed by a priest and the Church loved it as it agreed with the Bible (instant Universe). The Universe didn't appear suddenly 13 billion years ago, it evolved slowly. Over trillions of years Darwin had exactly the same problem.

Taq, I know all about your red and blue shift, you don't have to explain.In a vortex, Taq, youi're going to accelerate. Acceleration leads to loss of pressure (expansion,no?). A system left to expand, in free-fall, will expand evenly in all directions, with the ones farthest away expanding fastest. That's a red shift, Taq. What are you going to do about it? How would the Galaxies be moving towards us? That's impossible, to me.