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NoNukes
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Message 151 of 193 (698162)
05-03-2013 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 145 by Just being real
05-03-2013 11:27 AM


Nuclear contamination?
It is a word that is often (even by those in the professional field) incorrectly applied to situations such as, where nuclear contamination produces deformities
Define nuclear contamination, please.
Because it appears that this is a point of simple denial on your part. A mutation is simply an inheritable change in a genome of an organism. In multi-celled animals the change has to be a part of the reproductive cells to be inheritable, but it is certainly appropriate to call such a change in a lung cell a mutation if it affects new lung cells.
So exactly what is it that you consider to be a misuse of the term mutation? What constitutes nuclear contamination?
For a true mutation to occur that demonstrates the mechanism of macro evolution, the DNA would have to somehow reorganize into a genetic sequence that has never been known before now
This 'never known before now' stuff is complete nonsense. As long as the change was not a part of any of the ancestors of say a raven, why would it be important that the genetic sequence was known before in some other, non ancestural animal, such as a penguin. In my opinion, this 'requirement' is simply to allow disallowing some mutations that simply augment a currently known behavior. More simple denial.
You seem to want mutant to mean the cartoon version of mutant as applied to the X-men.

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 152 of 193 (698163)
05-03-2013 12:29 PM
Reply to: Message 144 by jbozz21
05-03-2013 11:20 AM


So that is not new information just old genes that don't get turned off.
How would the not turning off of genes get passed on to offspring?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 176 of 193 (698475)
05-07-2013 11:28 AM
Reply to: Message 162 by jbozz21
05-05-2013 4:01 AM


I can agree that under these circumstances when infected with malaria yes, the people can live longer and therefore are more fit but at the same time when they are not infected they are less fit.
Completely wrong. You are equivocating on the term fitness.
Fitness, in the sense relevant to evolution means the ability to survive to sire/bear offspring that also survive to reproduce. Living past 50 or so contributes a relatively small amount to any of that. Accordingly natural selection has a lesser impact on things that don't affect longevity during child bearing and child rearing. How could it be otherwise? Also note that treatment allows those with sickle cell to survive past 80. See
Sickle cell disease - Wikipedia
quote:
Life expectancy is shortened. In 1994, in the US, the average life expectancy of persons with this condition was estimated to be 42 years in males and 48 years in females,[1] but today, thanks to better management of the disease, patients can live into their 80s or beyond
On the other hand malaria kills young folks. 85% of the malaria deaths today are of children under five. See
http://www.afro.who.int/...0-facts-on-malaria-in-africa.html.
Given those facts, we don't expect sickle cell anemia to be eliminated by selection in a short period of time even in malaria free countries.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 177 of 193 (698686)
05-08-2013 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by jbozz21
05-07-2013 12:08 AM


But in times of famine or plague high amounts of vitamin c would boost your immune system and make you more fit to overcome the infection.
You mean times of famine AND plague right? Vitamin C doesn't fight hunger. But in times of famine aren't there more immediate concerns than Vitamin C deficiency?

Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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NoNukes
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Message 185 of 193 (698735)
05-09-2013 8:00 AM
Reply to: Message 184 by Tangle
05-09-2013 3:05 AM


So if I have a word 'CHAIR' and I lose the letter "H" to get the new word "HAIR" no new information has been created?
Ignoring the typo (a 'C' was lost, not an 'H'), I think you are conceding a bit too much here by proposing that something was lost. I don't read the following as saying a letter was lost, but rather that a letter was changed, e.g an R in chair to an 'N':
From the article...
quote:
Point mutations in the sodium channels, termed the kdr mutations, reduce or eliminate the binding affinity of insecticides to sodium channels causing insecticide resistance6.
The point mutation did not remove a site; the mutation changed a site from binding to non binding for pyrethroid insecticides. The site did not get destroyed, it was reconfigured. And Who knows what new molecule can bind at the reconfigured site? And what did the site do originally?
JBR writes:
As I suspected prior to reading the paper, this is a case of observed pre-existing information being selected to become dominant in a group or population.
Total BS from someone motivated not to see the unavoidable. Nothing like the above is described in the article.
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Under a government which imprisons any unjustly, the true place for a just man is also in prison. Thoreau: Civil Disobedience (1846)
I would say here something that was heard from an ecclesiastic of the most eminent degree; ‘That the intention of the Holy Ghost is to teach us how one goes to heaven, not how the heaven goes.’ Galileo Galilei 1615.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and deprecate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground, they want rain without thunder and lightning. Frederick Douglass

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