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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
Here.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
My comment is that I want to move to Costa Rica.
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vimesey Member (Idle past 104 days) Posts: 1398 From: Birmingham, England Joined:
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The world is full of pathetic, angry morons like Raul Rodriguez. If you let people keep guns, and give out the message that there are ever more circumstances in which it's right to shoot someone dead, then the pathetic, angry morons are going to kill innocent people.
It's a crumb of comfort, though, that it seems like the right decision was reached here.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Stand your ground laws are double edged.
I would have called the law and let them deal with it, I think it was a poor choice to carry a camera and a gun to a neighbors party to complain about noise. Defending yourself is one thing, but when you feel the need to arm yourself before asking a neighbor to cut it down then you should probably let law deal with it. The camera, I am sure didn't help. Alcohol may have been a contributing factor also? I think Rodriguez made a series of poor decisions.A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ― Edward R. Murrow "You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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First, I never trust what the press says about a case; they usually get something wrong, often something significant.
That having been said, if what the report says is accurate, it appears that the jury believed that the guy was the aggressor in the incident. In that case, he is not entitled to assert any kind of self-defense unless he withdraws and is then pursued.Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Surely "standing your ground" only applies to your own ground. The neighbour might have been justified in shooting him but not vice versa.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined:
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First, I never trust what the press says about a case; they usually get something wrong, often something significant. He videotaped the confrontation and entered it as an exhibit in his own defense. Yeah, that worked so well. This is the main reason why I brought it up again, I saw the video. It seems to me that saying the magic words: "I am in fear for my life" is not a magical incantation that lets you shoot whoever you want. Especially if you're pointing a gun at your victim when you say it and he is unarmed.
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jar Member (Idle past 425 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined:
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When you go looking for trouble, you often find it.
I have no problem with either 'Stand your ground' or 'the Castle Doctrine' and in this case it seems that based on the information so far the law was applied reasonably.Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped! |
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined: |
No, it isn't. In fact, the first thing it makes me think is that he was planning ahead and went over there with the idea in mind of trying to manufacture a self-defense claim.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4176 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Headline.... "Former fireman Kills Teacher"
A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves. ― Edward R. Murrow "You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them" - Ray Bradbury |
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Seems like he was "standing his ground" though, if that is what the law allows.
First, he was carrying a gun because he DOES have a concealed weapons permit which allows him to do so. That's what the permit is for. Second, he was pursued out into the street by three (assumingly drunk) men from the party. The stand your ground law allows him to stand his ground "in the street" too. He felt his life was in danger when three men came at him and so he used his gun. He stood his ground. What did he do wrong? This will get over turned, they seem to be making a point with this case after the Trayvon incident. - Oni
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subbie Member (Idle past 1285 days) Posts: 3509 Joined:
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He was the aggressor. He went over there, gun in hand, to start trouble, not defend himself. He had a camera in his hand, obviously with the idea in mind that he could manufacture a self-defense claim. He pulled the gun and the other people in the video put their hands up and backed away. At the moment he pulled the gun, nobody had made any threatening moves to him and nobody else had pulled a weapon.
Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. -- Thomas Jefferson We see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat It has always struck me as odd that fundies devote so much time and effort into trying to find a naturalistic explanation for their mythical flood, while looking for magical explanations for things that actually happened. -- Dr. Adequate Howling about evidence is a conversation stopper, and it never stops to think if the claim could possibly be true -- foreveryoung
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
He was the aggressor. He went over there, gun in hand, to start trouble, not defend himself. He had a camera in his hand, obviously with the idea in mind that he could manufacture a self-defense claim. He pulled the gun and the other people in the video put their hands up and backed away. At the moment he pulled the gun, nobody had made any threatening moves to him and nobody else had pulled a weapon. But that's not when he shot anyone. He may have been acting like a dick waving a gun around but he never fired. He shot when three men, in the street, went at him. That IS in fact acting in line with the "stand your ground" law. - Oni
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined:
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That's like saying "sure, I pushed him off the cliff, but it was gravity that killed him."
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
That's like saying "sure, I pushed him off the cliff, but it was gravity that killed him." No it's not. - Oni
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