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Author Topic:   Economics: How much is something worth?
Buzsaw
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Message 4 of 330 (660974)
05-01-2012 8:33 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
05-01-2012 7:12 AM


Re; Economic Values
Percy writes:
Thus, economic value is measured by the most someone is willing to give up in other goods and services in order to obtain a good, service, or state of the world. In a market economy, dollars (or some other currency) are a universally accepted measure of economic value, because the number of dollars that a person is willing to pay for something tells how much of all other goods and services they are willing to give up to get that item. This is often referred to as willingness to pay.
The dollar's value, relative to the goods and services, is determined by whether a dollar represents intrinsic value or simply a Federal reserve paper note issued/printed by private Federal Reserve central banks.There was a time when this note was a promisary note, assuring the bearer of it that it could be exchanged for a specified amount of silver, as stated on the note.
It was an obligatory note issued/printed by the private banks, holding the gold or silver in reserve, promising the bearer the ability to exchange at any bank for silver, as with the old silver certificate notes. The last year this was possible in the US was in 1969, when the half dollar coin contained 40% silver. the last year in which one could exchange the printed note for something of intrinsic value. Subsequent to that date, it's value was determined by bearers of money notes relative to their perception of the value of the notes.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
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Message 46 of 330 (661080)
05-01-2012 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Percy
05-01-2012 9:03 AM


Re: Re; Economic Values
Percy writes:
Hi Buz,
You should probably find another thread if you'd like to discuss whether currency should be backed by gold or silver.
If you'd like to discuss value or worth as defined in economics and it bothers you to think of value in terms of currency then think of it in terms of how many hours of your own labor you think something is worth.
In your OP you referred to goods and services. Gold and silver happens to be a type of goods. Silver is an investment goods and other kinds of goods. Jewelry manufacturing and industrial goods are two examples. No?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
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Message 47 of 330 (661083)
05-01-2012 11:08 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by Percy
05-01-2012 4:30 PM


Re: Sources And Mechanisms Of Wealth Creation
Percy writes:
The definition of value is not the answer to all questions economic and otherwise. It's a simple definition. I was hoping to resolve a confusion most people had about the sources and mechanisms of wealth creation.
One of the greatest sources of the creation of wealth has been gold and silver. Wise investors understood the significance of unbacked dollars. They knew that sooner or later it would inflate.
History confirms that the money of nations which did not back their money with intrinsic value eventually became worthless.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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Buzsaw
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Message 90 of 330 (661190)
05-03-2012 6:28 AM
Reply to: Message 58 by Percy
05-02-2012 12:57 PM


Re: Missed Point
Percy writes:
If it helps you to think of value in terms of ounces of gold or silver instead of dollars then go right ahead, but this thread is not about whether currency should be backed by gold or silver.
You miss my spot on topic point. My response did not pertain to gold and silver, perse. It pertained to the stability of economic values and accumulated wealth: to what nations and investors ultimately gain or loose.
Germany and China are two examples of who looses. The Germans swept it up in the streets. The Chinese decorative brass coins with the square holes in them made decorative woven baskets with Peking beads and coins sewn in the lids. I have a couple of them.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The Immeasurable Present Eternally Extends the Infinite Past And Infinitely Consumes The Eternal Future.
Someone wisely said something ;ike, "Before fooling with a fool, make sure the fool is a fool."

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