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Author Topic:   An ID hypothesis: Front-loaded Evolution
Dr Adequate
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Message 153 of 216 (653786)
02-24-2012 6:17 AM
Reply to: Message 150 by Genomicus
02-24-2012 6:05 AM


Re: The Role Of Chance
Actually, I thought that was sufficiently clear ...
No.
Speaking as an onlooker trying to figure out what you mean, no, that was not remotely clear. That was obscure. Next time you try to explain your idea to someone, do not call it front-loaded evolution, and explain from the very start that you believe that the evolution of humans (for example) was a matter of mere chance rather than foreordained necessity.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 172 of 216 (654084)
02-26-2012 6:45 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by Genomicus
02-26-2012 4:40 PM


Re: The Role Of Chance
Well, under the FLE hypothesis, the origin of eukaryotes and Metazoa and plants and animals was not a matter of mere chance, but a matter of chance and direction. In other words, the first genomes anticipated the rise of these taxa ...
Again, I'm wondering whether or not you wish to go with "genomes" or "genome"; in other words whether you're going to have common descent or not.
Chance does play a role in FLE, but so too do other factors - the initial states are what channel evolution in specified directions.
But again any initial state only provides you with one specified direction as such. The residual variation found among organisms must be the result of factors external to the genome --- chance if you wish, something else if you can think of it, but certainly something.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 173 of 216 (654085)
02-26-2012 6:57 PM
Reply to: Message 165 by Genomicus
02-26-2012 6:00 PM


Re: The Role Of Chance
And no, I don't think I'd particularly care for your guess about why the FLE posits this as an initial premise, precisely because you'd guess that it's because of theology. That's simply not true. It's based on the notion that if humans were to seed a planet and front-load, we would almost certainly choose to front-load Metazoa and try to front-load intelligent life forms, would we not?
No, because apparently that means we'd have to wait an awful long time before we got any return on our investment, assuming that we wanted something other than a bunch of prokaryotes glooping around (and presumably that is what your Designers wanted or they wouldn't have front-loaded them to evolve into things other than prokaryotes). If you know in advance the genomes of the organisms you want to exist, then you might as well just make those organisms.
So far as I can see, the only conceivable point in seeding a planet just with undistinguished blobs is as an experiment in Darwinian evolution, in which case you wouldn't front-load anything. This still presumes a willingness to wait a few billion years to see the results of this experiment, but at least there'd be some point in waiting. If you know what you want to happen, on the other hand, why not just make it happen?

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Message 192 of 216 (654279)
02-28-2012 8:19 PM
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02-28-2012 5:08 PM


Re: General Response to Objections
Actually, I have purposefully not gone into detail on the evidence for the FLE hypothesis: remember the point of my discussion? My main objective, in this thread, is to establish the predictions made by the FLE hypothesis.
Unless you're trying to come up with predictions that you think are false, this would be a distinction without a difference.

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