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Perdition Member (Idle past 3267 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
Bin Laden, Hussein, Ghaddafi - who killed those guys? Slovenia? Latvia? Peru? No sir, the US did. And hey rest of the world, you're welcome. Yeah, we killed them...but only after we helped them come to power in the first place. If we had just left things alone, much of the Middle East would probably be a lot safer and hate us less.
It's that celebrities are artist and that makes them special. The Kardashians are artists? If that's what art has fallen to, I grieve for our children.
21 of the 25 most deadliest snakes live in Australia New Zealand has no indigenous, poisonous animals, IIRC. The fact is, except for unnecessary military might, the US has fallen in every rank that matters (to most people) such as health, happiness, longevity, and standard of living. The fact that we can blow up the world does nothing for me if I'm dead long before I would otherwise be in another country, and struggling just to eat while I am living.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3267 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
There is zero proof of that. There is zero proof that we aided Saddam Hussein, or trained Osama Bin Laden to fight the Russians? Really?
As for hating us, I doubt we can change that opinion when the rest of the world has (even if they won't admit it) some envy of the US and it's celebrities and overall image. It's not our fault, that's just the culture these days. The overall image of America, during the past decade, was one of a bully. Most people don't envy bullies. If people envy America, it is for the ability of people to enter the country and make something of themselves...and ability that is not really a reality any more. So people from countries that are worse off than America want to come here. But how many immigrants do you see from Norway?
Um, she's on tv. So yeah. That's the onyl criteria you need to be considered an artist? Does that mean any criminal who makes the news, or Dateline is an artist?
The Kardashinas are the least of your worries when it comes to kids. Happy Meals should worry you more. Happy Meals are only a threat if I give them many of them, which I don't plan to do, so they're no threat at all. What I am worried about is their mental development. Calling the Kardashians artists degrades the value of the word art.
I just can't believe that's true. I see people at football games on tv, they are happy as shit! Old people too. With season passes. Happy, old people, watching football in great seats. You're telling me other countries have that? I didn't think so. Have you ever seen Brazillians at a soccer game? And speaking of happiness, you need to take into account not just the thousands who go to football games, but the thousands or millions who contemplate suicide every day. And 3 hours of happiness at a football game can often be an attempt to escape the horribleness that is the rest of their lives. So believe what you will. I'll believe the polls done over a wide spectrum of citizens to determine the voerall happiness of a country.
But that's how you rank a country, by it's military power and overall control. That's how you rank a country. Not me.
So it should make you proud actually. Considering we spend more than we need to on our military, and that almost all of the wars we've ever been in have been at our instigation, I'm less inclined to think that's a good thing. The bully who's bigger and stronger may be feared, but he doesn't have many friends, and is often depressed when not in a crowd.
No one in the US is struggling to eat, believe me. Yes there are. Believe me.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3267 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined:
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Hearsay mostly. But as far as wiki goes, there is zero tangible evidence. There's more than wiki available.
James Woolsey, LLB, MA, former Director of the CIA, on Apr. 2, 2003 stated the following at a teach-in at the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA): "Yes, it’s true. We did. We certainly didn’t put in Saddam, the Ba’athists did that on their own. But we did back him in some limited ways in the 1980s in the war against Iran. He represented himself to be, and the Reagan administration at the time felt that he was, essentially, the lesser of two evils. And what was weighing on American minds very heavily then was the Iranian revolution of 1979, and particularly the seizure of the American hostages, which absolutely enraged this country. And I think enrages a lot of people here still, and is a rather major barrier to an understanding to the American and Iranian people, which is something I would very much like to see take place. But, yes, we backed Saddam in limited ways, mainly with intelligence information against Iran during the ’80s war between the two. But that shouldn’t mean that when we come to our senses we can’t take a different tact. Whether it was wise or unwise to back him, I think it was unwise, that doesn’t mean that we are forever locked into the proposition that we have to back Saddam Hussein." To what extent did Saddam Hussein receive aid and support from the United States? - US - Iraq War - ProCon.org Liberal media propaganda. Show me a liberal media (with the possible exception of MSNBC) and maybe I'd believe this.
Ask the Iraqi citizens that we liberated if we were bullies, or the Afghans when we killed the Taliban, or the miners from Chille when we saved their ass, if we are bullies. There's more people in the world than the ones we happened to liberate. But ask the family members of the innocent Iraqis we killed how they view us. Same for Afghanistan. Then ask most Europeans. Ask most Asians. It was easier and safer, in the later half of the past decade to say you were Canadian when abroad than American. Not that you were really in danger, but people would treat you much better if they thought you weren't American. Thankfully, that's changed a bit. And Obama and the ending of the wars has much to do with that.
A lot of people like to use the term bully way too freely. The US doesn't just invade a country willie nillie and push people around, we aren't Iran or Syria. No, we usually have very good reasons for invading other countries...usually that they're going to stop selling us whatever it is we buy from them at a cheap price in an attempt to make their countries more prosperous. Can't have that, bananas might cost 25 cents more per pound.
Sometimes you have to kick a little butt to change the way people behave, but not all the time. I mean, how else do you propose we make middle easterners think like us? Ask them nicely? Why should they think like us? Are we the arbiters of morality and goodness? If so, is only because we have a larger army? Does might make right?
She's a model Being attractive does not an artist make.
can dance I've not seen ehr dance. This may be true, but go to any club, there are tons of people who can dance. I'd not consider this to be the makings of an artist unless its something you dedicate your life to.
has her own clothing line and fragrance Again, not the makings of an artist...a mogul or businessperson, maybe.
sings too. So does Paris Hilton, for very liberal usages of the word "sing."
What else does one need to do to be an artist? She's been rewarded with a tv show for a reason. Networks don't make mistakes. Maybe something artistic? She was awarded a TV show because she's attractive and rich. Much the same reason much of the "housewives" on the various "Real Housewives" shows and the Jersey Shore
Yeah, it's chaos! I wouldn't compare that to watching a game at Soldier Field. But you can't argue they're not happy or having fun. As for Soldier Field, the people are enjoying themselves, but they're also freezing their asses off.
I look around, I just don't see who is unhappy. Polls or not, go to a bar, everyone is having a good time watching a game on tv. Go to any one of the malls in the US, they're FULL. People aren't shopping like that if they're not happy. I'm not happy when I'm shopping, why would anyone else be?
It's a simple ranking system. You don't need a bunch of polls and surveys of people or HUGE economical studies, or healthcare studies, etc... It's like football, the team who beats everyone is the Super Bowl champion. And this year it won't be the Packers. Well, the Packers went 15-1, so they came the closest to "beating everyone." The winner of the Super Bowl is only the team that won their last 3 (or 4) games. Hardly everyone.
So just imagine every other country in the world is the Green Bay Packers and the US is the NY Giants. Simple. Thus proving my point. The rest of the world (the Packers) is a better place to be.
For a country with not a lot of friends we sure have a lot of people around the world asking for hand outs. We have money (though less and less), that means people will ask us for some of it. It doesn't create friends, just moochers.
I just jogged by a Mc Donalds, believe ME they're NOT struggling. Firstly, the ones at McDonald's are succeeding in feeding themselves. That doesn't mean the success didn't come without a struggle. At the very least, they had to walk to their cars to get there. Secondly, the people who are really struggling wouldn't be at McDonald's would they? If they can't afford to buy food, standing in front of a Micky D's would be pretty torturous.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3267 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
Yeah, but I'm talking factual stuff. Not nonsense from who knows what website. The link led to a quote from the former director of the CIA. I'd consider him a pretty good source.
The Daily Show and every god damn writer on that staff...bunch of elitist if you ask me. All the writers on Colbert's show, South Park, basically everything on TV is liberal. Actually, the creators of South Park are pretty Libertarian, not really liberal. The Daily Show and Colbert are liberal, I'll give you that, but those are all entertainment shows. The "liberal media" supposedly refers to biased reporting in news shows. If there's a bias, it's generally pro-conservative and pro-access.
But if you ask the one's we liberated they'll say we're not bullies. Their answer would be emotional, too, not logical, so I wouldn't consider that if you won't consider mine.
I highly doubt that. You tell any country you're American, they see dollar signs! Not in much of Europe.
Not the middle east of course, or at least not in all of the middle east, but it'll take 2 years to change that opinion if we vote the right way come November. There are two ways to change our reputation in the Middle East. Respecting them and showing them we're not a bunch of assholes, which will take considerably longer than two years. Or turning the whole region to glass so there are no more people in the area to dislike us. This could take considerably less than two years, assuming the Republicans gain control of the entire government. However, this would probably make our reputation in the rest of the world go down a peg or six.
You're making stuff up now. This is conspiracy nonsense. From the Great Conspiracy Theorist himself, this is a compliment.
We invade when they're a threat to the US and our way of life. Yes, and "our way of life" includes cheap bananas and oil. (See Nicaragua)
Because it's the right way to think. Your way or my way? I agree that my way is right and yours isn't, but somehow, I'd bet you want to make them think your way. When you succeed, are you going to invade the rest of us, too?
She exists in front of the camera, stop being a hater, she's an artist. There, I fixed it for you.
That's not true. I hate shopping. Gives me hives.
Um, your math is screwy. The Giants beat the shit out of the Packers, thus they beat the 15 teams the Packers beat during the regular season. But the Packers beat the Giants first, meaning the Giants beat themselves, which really isn't something they should be showing on network TV.
They shouldn't be there anyway so they're actually winning. Is the same "winning" that Charlie Sheen was talking about? If so, maybe they just need more Tiger Blood.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3267 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
Former? Um, I don't find that to be a valid source. He may have gotten fired for lying about this very subject. I'll just assume he did. Ok, you do that. I'll just assume you're lying about your actual beliefs here.
No, that would be the liberal NEWS. Media is any source of, well, media. And ALL sources of media in the US are either gay, liberal or jewish...but always wrong. Especially the jews. Aren't gay and liberal supposed to be synonyms? And what about a gay liberal Jew, which type of media would he create? And if two wrongs don't make a right, what about three?
Well there's a problem, mine is right. Yours is just plain wrong. Wow, we agree...mine is right and yours is wrong. Woohoo!
This is the ONLY way I see it going down in a way that works. As far as the rest of the world's opinion of us, HA! They better keep it to themselves if they know what's good for them. I agree that this is the only way that works to make an entire region of individual people stop hating us. However, there is only so much of the planet you can turn to glass before the planet decides to eat you while you're meditating to figure out what it wants...
Which has now changed to burgers and tacos. (See all the fatties) Both of which have tomatoes which we often get from Mexico, and beef which we get from Venezuela or Australia. I foresee a war "down under" if beef prices rise too much.
And my point stands, they beat EVERYBODY, including themselves. Except for the KC Chiefs, who beat the Packers without first losing to them, So wouldn't that make the Chiefs the best team? /shudder
The US of A is the best cause we could destroy any country, including our own! But so could any country with enough nukes...Israel, India, Pakistan, France... I guess, using your logic, since we already beat France once (sort of), just like the Packers beat the Giants, the fact that France could beat us, thus beating everyone we've beaten, including themselves, they are the winners. Right?
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3267 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
Just look at our version of The Office compared to yours. What, you mean completely losing the premise? I mean, what kind of "office documentary" would run for 7 years? At leas the UK version kept themselves honest.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3267 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
What runs for 7 years? I don't know, a successful TV show? I don't deny that it's successful, but the premise of the show, that of it being a documaentary of office life, just doesn't make sense considering the sheer length fo time the supposed documentary has been running. I like Steve Carrell, and even occassionally watch reruns, but you have to admit the premise makes no sense any more.
Better actors, deeper involvement in the characters, deeper plots, much more loavble characters, and for christ sake Steve Carell is better than that no talent, wanna-be edgy, snaggle toothed hack that Gevais is. I like Gervais too. His version of The Office was more British oriented, I'll admit, but it stuck to the premise much better. It was more consistent. As for deeper involvement with the characters, once again, this is supposed to be a documentary about working in an office. Deeper involvement is another inconsistency with the premise.
ALL American shows beat british shows. What's next, someone is going to come out in defense of the IT Crowd or Downton Abbey? Kill yourselves. What about Red Dwarf? It ran for 9 seasons in the UK. The American version didn't get much past the pilot. Or Doctor Who...I'm not a huge fan, but considering its been on the air for longer than any American TV show except for Soap Operas, it would seem to be the "best" TV show.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3267 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
It's a MOCKumentary. You do know it's fake, right? Yes, I know it's fake, but the length of the show just exposes the fact that its fake. When a parody hits you over the head with the fact that its not real, it loses its parodic credentials. Spinal Tap is a mockumentary, and you know what? It sticks to the format of a real documentary and just inserts ridiculous elements. If Spinal Tap became a film series, it would quickly lose the novelty of the idea and become stale.
It's supposed to run long, as a successful show. Then the authors are lazy. If they wanted it to run long, they could have come up with a premise that fit a long running show, or even made it a plot point or something.
And it's a true testament to the ability of the AMERICAN writers to take Gervais' simple idea and create the monster that the US Office has become. You're welcome, Brits You DO know that Ricky Gervais was one of the executive directors of the US version, right?
I'm sorry but these shows are what I like to refer to as British garbage. I figured that, you're more of a Keeping Up With The Kardashians person.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3267 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
Like I said before, when parody goes on too long, it becomes stale. I'll bow out now and let you continue with Oni Tap 6 on your own.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3267 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
The fucking health nut fuckers are holding us back we could easily claim first place if we kick them out. Or you could get off your ass, train like there's no tomorrow, and drink an entire swimming pool full of alcohol. You might not make it out alive, but, by God, you'd have made history and won your country some of the prestige it so rightly deserves!
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3267 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
But most of us are training every day at the pub. It's not really training if that's your normal level of activity. You need to take it up a notch. Order 4 rounds, but drink them in the same amount of time as you would have 3, and stay as long as you normally would. That'll be a 33% increase and when you can work your way up to swimming pools, you'll be doing Slovenia proud.
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Perdition Member (Idle past 3267 days) Posts: 1593 From: Wisconsin Joined: |
Na, your wrong Jesus dint turn water in to wine the guy who rote it down misunderstood. Jesus made the worlds first pricer he added water to wine, and everybody was happy because it tasted grate. Nope, it was even more mundane. Jesus got there first, you see, and noticed on the chalkboard menu that they were serving water. He shook his head, sighed, and walked over, erased "Water" and replaced it with "Wine." Thus, he changed water into wine.
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