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Buzsaw

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Message 24 of 93 (607612)
03-05-2011 9:09 AM

Ice Age Speculation & Conjecture

A read of this dino/ice age page is a read of a lot of lack of evidence. Speculation and conjecture by ice age advocates is all I see here. That sort of thing is disallowed in flood and Exodus threads where solid empirical evidence is an absolute requirement.

What is attributed to the alleged ice ages has been argued by creationists as explainable by the Noaic flood, of course, also involving some aspects of speculation and conjecture. Due to lack of empirical evidence, the anti-floodists claim that it has been absolutely falsified.

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Message 28 of 93 (607639)
03-05-2011 3:30 PM

Reply to: Message 27 by Blue Jay
03-05-2011 10:02 AM

Re: Ice Age Speculation & Conjecture

Bluejay writes:

Hi, Buz.

Did I miss something here?

What have the ice ages got to do with dinosaurs?

Dinosaur extinction: 65 million years ago.
Pleistocene ice ages: within the last 3 million years.

You do realize that 65 and 3 are two very different numbers, right?

I've lost track of how many times you've been corrected on this.

Message 7 was what I had in mind about the ice ages. Since it was off topic, I should have stuck to the asteroid assumption relative to dinos.

My point was that there is always a lot of assuption, implication and conjecture relative to both, whereas no assumption, implication or conjecture has been permissible in flood or Exodus threads.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Message 29 of 93 (607640)
03-05-2011 3:35 PM

Reply to: Message 26 by NoNukes
03-05-2011 9:33 AM

Re: Ice Age Speculation & Conjecture

NoNukes writes:

Buzsaw writes:

That sort of thing is disallowed in flood and Exodus threads where solid empirical evidence is an absolute requirement.

If you've read the thread, you've no doubt noticed that the thread is primarily discussion rather than debate. While some evidence has been cited, there is understandably less citing than would be expected in a debate thread. Speculation is entirely appropriate here.

It would be perfectly acceptable for you start a debate by challenging one of the posters to put up some evidence on something said here. But you won't bother. You are merely objecting to the fact that others are even having this discussion. I'd enjoy being proven wrong about that.

Buzsaw writes:

Due to lack of empirical evidence, the anti-floodists claim that it has been absolutely falsified.

I think that's a mischaracterization of the past discussions. Evidence has been presented that a global flood did not occur. It has not been a simple matter of pointing out that your own claims are unsupported by evidence.

Mmm, now, there's a novel idea.

We can have a discussion flood thread where empirical evidence is not a requirement. I never thought of that.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Message 30 of 93 (607641)
03-05-2011 3:42 PM

Reply to: Message 25 by jar
03-05-2011 9:21 AM

Re: Ice Age Speculation & Conjecture

jar writes:

Are you actually going to present some evidence in this case?

No. Mine would require empirical evidence, whereas yours does not.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Message 32 of 93 (607649)
03-05-2011 4:12 PM

Reply to: Message 31 by jar
03-05-2011 3:56 PM

Re: Ice Age Speculation & Conjecture

jar writes:

Buzsaw writes:

jar writes:

Are you actually going to present some evidence in this case?

No. Mine would require empirical evidence, whereas yours does not.

So you have no evidence.

Thought so.

You're words; not mine. No evidence which creationists have ever presented has been acknowledged. Therefore, as I said, "no, I will not be repeating evidence.

Conjecture about an asteroid can be interpreted as supportive to the cause of the flood which implicates the demise of the dinos, which was implicated in the Genesis curse of the serpent/reptile kind.

I don't think that debating it would be in line with this thread. It has been discussed/debated in past threads so there's no need to repeat it all here.

I see no more conjecture in that hypothesis, supported by other Biblical data than I am reading here and have read in other threads about the demise of the dinos. Of course you and your friends will see it differently. That is to be expected.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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Message 36 of 93 (607663)
03-05-2011 6:50 PM

Reply to: Message 35 by NoNukes
03-05-2011 5:16 PM

Re: Ice Age Speculation & Conjecture

NoNukes writes:

You are playing silly word games. Empirical evidence is the only kind of evidence.

So as not to lead off topic, please go to Message 4 for a response.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
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