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Animals with bad design.

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01-15-2011 11:12 AM 		Reply to: Message 1 by Aaron
01-15-2011 4:22 AM

Move the goal posts?
It seems that you are moving the Design goal posts from product centric to systematic, and if so, then you MIGHT be able to make a case for design. If you want to say that the system itself seems perfectly designed to assure that life continues (mutation and all the other methods of genetic change) despite changes in the environment (natural selection) then I would agree, the system does seem to have worked well over an extended period of time.
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But is that really evidence that even the system itself is designed?
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Does that not mean that no specific end product is intended but rather only life itself MIGHT be a desired outcome?
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01-24-2011 2:14 PM 		Reply to: Message 17 by Aaron
01-24-2011 2:55 AM

The short answer to your question is that God designed this world for a specific purpose - in order to make it possible for the perfect world yet to come.
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Got it. Makes sense now. This world is just the product of an apprentice god learning on the job. Once he learns the basics then he will try to become a journeyman god and maybe even a master craftsman so he can do better next time.
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02-17-2011 3:11 PM 		Reply to: Message 106 by Theodoric
02-17-2011 3:02 PM

Re: Salt water at 0 degrees F
Not sure if this is relevant but what the hey...
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quote:
At depths greater than a few hundred meters, the sun has little effect on water temperature, because the sun's energy has been absorbed by water at the surface. In the great depths of the ocean the water temperature is very cold. In fact, 75% of the water in the world ocean (the great depths) has a temperature between 0 C and 2 C.
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Sperm Whales often dive as deep as 1000 meters and have been recorded to dive to over 3000 meters.
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Now that's not 0 F but still pretty cold.
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02-21-2011 11:03 AM 		Reply to: Message 118 by Aaron
02-21-2011 6:26 AM

Re: Salt water at 0 degrees F
Aaron writes:
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My point was that whales have some advantages over tuna when it comes to extreme environments. Besides, temperature ranges were not the only information I was using to suggest whales occupy a unique ecological niche.
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Does that have any relevance to the issue?
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