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ringo

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Message 48 of 56 (595408)
12-08-2010 12:07 PM

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12-08-2010 9:53 AM

Re: Try to be serious folk.

Jon writes:

We cannot prove the God of the Exodus merely by proving the Exodus.
We can, however, add support for the God of the Exodus by proving the Exodus.

Does our knowledge of radium tell us anything about Madame Curie's God? Does what she believed about the metaphysical have any bearing at all on what she discovered about the physical?

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Message 51 of 56 (595439)
12-08-2010 4:07 PM

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12-08-2010 2:31 PM

Re: Try to be serious folk.

Jon writes:

If we find there was no Madame Curie, then we cannot have a 'God of Madame Curie'clearly.

Why not? Isn't the God of Madame Curie the same as the God of Gulliver? How do fictional references to a god make that god more or less real?

If the story of the Exodus was 100% accurate physically, I don't see how that adds to the plausibility of the God character in the story. Conversely, if the story was 100% false, I don't see how that subtracts from the plausibility of the God character.

To summarize, I don't see how you can connect the physical reality of the story to any metaphysical claims at all.

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Message 53 of 56 (595466)
12-08-2010 5:17 PM

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12-08-2010 4:56 PM

Jon writes:

ringo writes:

I don't see how you can connect the physical reality of the story to any metaphysical claims at all.

You can, when the metaphysical claim links itself to that story.

How?

Jon writes:

Proving that X never happened clearly falsifies the statement 'There is a God who did X'.

I don't think it does. If a "murder" turns out to be a suicide, that doesn't mean that the suspect doesn't exist, only that he didn't do the deed. It may be incorrect to refer to him as a murderer but that's just an error of description. It doesn't make him vanish into oblivion.

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Message 55 of 56 (595497)
12-08-2010 10:11 PM

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12-08-2010 8:12 PM

Jon writes:

If we say that GOD is not affected by the evidence found in relation to the Exodus, then I would certainly agree. But when we start talking about God, who has a specific set of characteristics, then we can certainly disprove this critter by showing those characteristics to be incompatible with reality or logic.

Like I said, you're just quibbling about the description of God. A few discrepancies in the description have no bearing on the existence of God or GOD. Your approach is a waste of time.

"I'm Rory Bellows, I tell you! And I got a lot of corroborating evidence... over here... by the throttle!"

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