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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes:
If a pastor or priest is performing a licensed marriage ceremony, he is a secular practitioner. I have no problem at all with rescinding his license if he refuses to marry certain people. If you are a secular practioner, you have a legal obligation to marry everyone who requests it and pays for the services. But you can't walk in to a church and demand that they put their beliefs on hold, regardless of how reprehensible you may find it to be. Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes:
How far in the past? There was a point in history when governments decided that marriage had a lot of civil legal implications and that civil registration of marriages had become necessary.
Did you need the state's permission to get married in the past? Hyroglyphx writes:
Why go to such an extreme? Why boot all the clergymen out on the street, as it were? Just make it clear that anybody who wants to perform marriages must comply with the secular requirements. Then individual clergymen can either perform marriages or not. If a Satan-worshipping, mixed-race, homosexual couple wants to get married in the Baptist Church in Selma Alabama, the congregation has a right to refuse but the pastor doesn't. Why not just revoke their legal authority altogether and leave secular marriage to secular society, and let the religious have their cerimonies? Wouldn't that be the most equitable way? Edited by ringo, : Splling. Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Hyroglyphx writes:
If the pastor is acting as an agent of the state - e.g. presiding over the formalizing of a state-sanctioned contract - then it definitely is a "business" for him, though I'd be more inclined to call it a "job requirement" myself. If the pastor was moonlighting as a bus driver, would you condone him refusing to drop passengers off at bars, strip clubs, etc? It's not a business for pastors, but it is for the State. It's simple enough. You do your job or you get out of the business. If you can refuse to marry one couple for any reason, then the state can (should) remove your right to marry any couple. Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Taz writes:
They're human, aren't they? Discrimination is a human characteristic, not a race-specific one. But all these communities who have been subjected to ongoing prejudices have absolutely no excuse to turn around and discriminate others. Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Taz writes:
Exactly. People who have been discriminated against are not immune to discriminating against other people.
You people have spent the last year trying to convince me there's no such thing as race. Taz writes:
I'm not disputing that. I'm disputing your claim that those communities have "no excuse" for discriminating against gays. They have the same excuse as anybody else, even if you don't like it. I said latino and black communities. In other words, if 70-80% of their members support something, I think it's safe to say their community supports it. Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Taz writes:
Blacks, latinos and Poles all have the same right to be human as anybody else. If you lost respect, it wasn't for the people but for some unrealistic ideal. If you expect them to be holier than thou because of their past history, they can probably do without your respect. They escaped from authoritarian regimes to come here just so they could persecute others? Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Taz writes:
*shrug* Self-respect? And since they don't seem to try too hard to overcome their prejudices, I don't see any reason why I should be better than them. Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Taz writes:
Maybe you should preemptively deport yourself. Well, deep down in my subconscious I have racist tendencies. I am not and don't pretend to be some enlightened individual. (You should also remember that it's hard for lurkers to distinguish a poster playing the fool from being a fool.) Life is like a Hot Wheels car. Sometimes it goes behind the couch and you can't find it.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
subbie writes:
So you can't go to court over things that are none of your damn business? Imagine that.
The Supreme Court has held that the the group defending Prop 8 did not have standing to appeal from the District Court decision....
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
So your example doesn't endorse polygamy but it does endorse slavery.
I thought my point was that by being returned to Sarai and not to Abram she was NOT treated as his wife.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
Did they have to share cells with the homosexuals who were also put in jail?
... and Christian pastors in Communist countries were made criminals and put in jail....
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
I'm glad to hear it. If they were they would have been kind to them and prayed for them. Did you get my point at all? That homosexuals tend to be at the front of the line for persecution? Even ahead of Christians? Because it's often the Christians who are doing the persecuting?
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saab93f writes:
I think it's mostly the LOUD Christians who are protesting. If it wasn't gay marriage, they'd find something else for their doom-and-gloom-saying. It has nothing to do with religion, morality, etc. It's just a pathological need to be LOUD.
The vitriol is totally and utterly incomprehensible.
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ringo Member (Idle past 443 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined:
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Faith writes:
That's the ultimate cop-out. Hint: In a generation, you won't be here to be proven wrong. Give it a generation. Allow me to prophesy: In a generation there will be a Bigfoot in the White House. A gay Bigfoot. A fundamentalist Christian gay Bigfoot.
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