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Author Topic:   Did Jesus betray Judas?
Huntard
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Message 58 of 64 (564070)
06-08-2010 4:49 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Jumped Up Chimpanzee
06-07-2010 1:06 PM


Re: The historical Jesus
Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:
Hyroglyphx writes:
The Gnostics, though, saw Jesus and God much differently as modern Christians do.
Could you expand on that, please (within the context of this discussion).
Well, the Gnostics viewed god (of the bible) as imperfect, he created an imperfect world. There was also a superior entity that was "perfect".
Jesus wanted to escape this impeerfect world, and attain the perfection of the superior entity, and he used Judas (who was fully aware of this) to attain that. Judas helped him, and though he was a bit reluctant, trusted his friend and teacher, and so "betrayed" him. In fact, Jesus asked him to do this (according to the gospel of Judas). The gospel doesn't mention the fate of Judas, though he does have a vision of being stoned to death by the remaining apostles.

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Huntard
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Message 61 of 64 (564091)
06-08-2010 7:34 AM
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06-08-2010 6:44 AM


Re: The historical Jesus
Jumped Up Chimpanzee writes:
I don't want to get too side-tracked on this but, just to be clear, what was this perfect entitiy they envisioned that was something different than God of the Bible?
They called it "Pleroma" (meaning fullness) and "Godhead". I'd check out the Wiki page on Gnosticism. I think that should answer most of your questions.

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