onifre writes:
There is no outside of spacetime either, I didn't mean to lead you to that opinion.
You haven't led me to that opinion. That was the deduction which your statements conveyed.
onifre writes:
What is meant by spacetime being finite is that it had a point of origin, the BB 13.7 bya. However, it didn't come from nothing. What existed before that doesn't operated under the same space and time dimensions that we experience, so it makes no sense to say when that 'started', the universe just is.
There is no outside of it, it is exitence.
If the universe
just is and
just was, having existed under different
space and time dimensions, the Buzsaw unbounded space eternal universe hypothesis is beginning to look more
scientific. I like that.
Now, if we can just accept the possibility that God
just (eternally) was, just is, and just (eternally) will be, perhaps creationists and secularists will begin to tolerate one another in a more congenial manner here at EvC.
onifre writes:
And yes, spacetime is expanding, but it can equally be said that the universe is expanding because spacetime represents the universe ever since 13.7 bya.
Deduction so far, as per your statements:
1. The universe is not finite and existed, having had non-finite existing space, non-finite existing time and no outside of (unbounded).
2. Spacetime is a finite period of time when the universe
existing space and time, previously having existing different non-finite time and dimension began to expand, for no explicable reason.
3. Since spacetime, which represents the universe began expanding as a submicroscopic area the not finite universe, having existing space and time was sub-microscopic dimensionally at the time of the beginning of expansion.
4. The not finite universe allegedly became inexplicably finite when the expansion began.
5. Contradiction:
a. The universe
is not finite.
b. Spacetime
is finite.
c. Existing
finite expanding spacetime is the existing
not finite (abe: spacetime) universe.
Edited by Buzsaw, : as noted
Edited by Buzsaw, : fix previous edit.
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The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.