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Author Topic:   Citing Middle Eastern Prophecy Being Fulfilled
Buzsaw
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Message 122 of 131 (500625)
02-28-2009 8:08 AM
Reply to: Message 120 by Coyote
02-27-2009 11:55 PM


Re: Hard empirical evidence
Coyote writes:
Because I've yet to be convinced that prophesy is anything other than vague generalities only subsequently interpreted to apply to specific events.
The Oracle at Delphi was just as accurate.
It is only your belief that makes you argue in favor of these prophesies; in spite of the post title, "Hard empirical evidence" is lacking. Otherwise you could tie specific prophesies to specific events long in advance. The track record of believers doing this over the past 2,000 years is probably worse than chance. And its always, "But we're sure this time!""
Coyote please reread carefully what you have last posted. There's not one thing in your message specifying anything relative to the prophecies that I've covered. You remind me of the child that keeps on repeating, "just because" when asked for a reason why.
Don't you think it's phenomenal for a nation of ancient people to be scattered into nations worldwide for 19 long centuries and to suddenly return to their homeland to establish it again?
Don't you think it's phenomenal for this nation to be surrounded by the very nations which the prophecy says will seek the destruction of the new nation?
Don't you think it's phenomenal that this little nation will emerge at a time when global government is in the making and when marks and numbers become significant globally for the first time in history at precisely the same era that the new nation is formed?
Don't you think it's phenomenal that all of this and so much more prophesied for the last days is slated for what the various prophecies call the "end times" or the "latter days?"
Don't you think it's phenomenal that not only the OT prophets forsaw this re-emergence of the Jews back in their land, but that Jesus, the prophesied messiah would also make the prediction that the gentile nations would no longer occupy Jerusalem and that he, the Jew would return to be the messiah of that nation as prophesied, corroborating with the Ezekiel prophecies and others?
I could go on and on and on about corroborating evidence that non of the other so called prophets that you cite have nothing anywhere near the track record of the Biblical record.
Why am I needing to repeat all of this to you people who keep on keeping on denying the evidence?
You people have reduced your replies to this classic example of yours which is nothing but "just because." How about something of substance if you have something to contribute to the thread?
You allege it's "just your belief." It's not just my belief. It's hard evidence that I have produced. It's just your bulligerant denial of the facts that we're dealing with here.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Fix username.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 123 of 131 (501193)
03-05-2009 12:27 AM
Reply to: Message 121 by PaulK
02-28-2009 2:04 AM


Re: Hard empirical evidence
Paulk writes:
Buzsaw writes:
Not only that, but here we have the very nations which were prophesied in place poised to destroy Israel and wipe them off the map and you can't even see that. How intellectually blind can you be?
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He can't see it because it isn't true.
How so? Please explain.
Buz:
To top it off, the prophecy will be fulfilled in a time when walls are not a factor in defense of the cities.
Paulk:
No, it claims that walls WILL be a significant factor in defense. The ABSENCE of walls is taken as a sign of weakness and vulnerability. Which can only be the case if defensive walls are the norm.
But the prophet likely had no concept of not needing walls for defense. The important point is that walls were the norm for ancient days. Ezekiel knew the cities had walls when he wrote the prophecy. He assumed they would be needed forever, evidently. But he forsees a time when there would be no walls or that cities would be expanded beyond the ancient walls. That is what makes the prophecy way out in the future for fulfillment. The fulfillment would not come until the latter days when walls would not be in place for the purpose of defense.
PaulK writes:
don't see any sign that Obama wants more global authority than Bush.
As for the rest the fact that your misrepresentations of the current situation match your misrepresentations of the Bible hardly prove that prophecy is being fulfilled !
What? Don't you remember Obama's global sweep campaigning overseas during the campaign. Are you aware that he says he wants to redistribute America's wealth globally via the UN? Obama is a self avowed globalist big time. His ambitions are global, even more so than nationally. Watch and see if I'm not right on this.
PaulK writes:
What else can we say ? Your "prophecy" fulfillments rely on cherry-picking the bits that suit you - and usually twisting even those. So of course we don't agree. No honest person could.
What? Who cherry picks? Coyote, you and others when it comes to the prophecies. I've corroborated many prophecies. The focus on this thread is not on a verse or two. It's on four long chapters, all of which are sequenced from the prophecy concerning the enemies, prophecy of the land/hills and valleys, prophecy of the return of the people, prophecy of the invasion/Armageddon and finally the prophecy of the destruction of the invading nations. Furthermore, all of this is corroborated by other prophets like Zechariah and Isaiah, etc.

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Buzsaw
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Message 125 of 131 (501373)
03-05-2009 9:45 PM
Reply to: Message 124 by PaulK
03-05-2009 1:54 AM


Re: Hard empirical evidence
PaulK writes:
Other than the geography in what way IS it true ? In what way is Ethiopia a major threat to Israel ?
The Jerusalem Post says best why Ethiopia is listed among the enemies of Israel slated for the fulfillment of this prophecy. Most of North Africa will likely align with Russia and the Mid East Islamic pac for UN dominancy and for this prophesied Armageddon event.
Jerusalem Post writes:
Islamism's Accidental Midwives
Feb. 18, 2009
Ethiopian communism suppressed the Ethiopian Orthodox church, but ignored the rise of Islamism in parts of Ethiopia, such as among the Oromo and their Islamic Front for the Liberation of Oromia. Thus communism did not support a rise in Islamism but served unintentionally as its incubator in some cases. Communist atheist zeal usually assaulted the majority religions its leaders were familiar with, such as Orthodoxy and Buddhism, ignoring Islam and the growth of Islamist groups.
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PaulK writes:
But there is no description of the lack of walls as a generally being true. It is supposedly special enough to be remarked on- by the people of the future time. And in the present day it isn't - its the norm.
I was reading the prophet Zechariah for my daily Bible reading this AM. I came across this from Zechariah 2:3-5 which corroborates Ezekiel relative to the unwalled villages and clarifies this controversy.
Zechariah (ASV) writes:
3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him, 4 and said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as villages without walls, by reason of the multitude of men and cattle therein. 5 For I, saith Jehovah, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and I will be the glory in the midst of her.
(Embolding mine for emphasis)
PaulK writes:
In the sense of wanting a global government ? Not likely. That's a pipe dream. There's no chance of it happening in the foreseeable future. Engaging with other nations on a diplomatic and economic level is a long way from setting up a world state.
You just watch, Paul and see how global Obama takes us. It's a matter of time (sooner than we hope) that the planet will be subject to oppressive global mandates.
Paul, relative to the cherry picking, you're so irrational that further response is useless.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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