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Author Topic:   Best approaches to deal w/ fundamentalism
ICANT
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Message 5 of 142 (500653)
02-28-2009 8:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by shalamabobbi
02-28-2009 6:07 PM


A Fundy View
Hi shalamabobbi,
shalamabobbi writes:
I am assuming then for the purposes of this thread that the argument of whether the ToE is true or not is past, that it is indeed a fact.
The first thing as a Fundy as Taz calls us is I would require evidence that life can come from non life.
Yea I know this got separated out of the ToE many years ago. But I was taught abiogenesis was a fact. I still don't believe it.
The second thing I would require is evidence of transmutation.
Until then I don't know of any real fundies that you are going to impress with saying that over long periods of time the little micro evolution steps and even the different species (which is still the same critter). As in 330 different species of forams over 60 million years with an unbroken history. After 60 million years and 330 species they were still forams.
You guys have enough evidence to convince you it is a fact.
Fundies do not see enough evidence to convince them transmutation has ever taken place.
In my opinion if you guys can present evidence of transmutation you can begin to get to fundies.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 12 of 142 (500688)
03-01-2009 1:35 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by shalamabobbi
03-01-2009 12:56 AM


Re: A Fundy View
Hi shalamabobbi,
shalamabobbi writes:
Hi ICANT,
This is OT but I will respond. If you want to pursue this debate please feel free to start a thread if you don't like any of the existing threads on these two topics.
I did not state anything to debate.
You had asked the evo's what would be required to convince a fundamentalist of the ToE.
I made a statement of what it would take to convince me, a fundamentalist of the ToE.
There is nothing to debate about what it would take to convince me.
As far as evidence I do not accept youtube, The Talk Origins, AIG or other personal web sites. I will accept scientific papers as evidence even though I may disagree with the interpretation of the evidence.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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ICANT
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Message 56 of 142 (500882)
03-02-2009 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by shalamabobbi
03-02-2009 11:18 AM


Re: A Fundy View
Hi shalamabobbi,
shalamabobbi writes:
As an aside, do you preach that the ToE is false from your pulpit?
I preach the Bible from my pulpit.
The ToE is not in it and neither is politics so they don't get preached.
I stated in Message 5
ICANT writes:
The first thing as a Fundy as Taz calls us is I would require evidence that life can come from non life.
The second thing I would require is evidence of transmutation.
The conditions of the earth at the time life appeared is not known and can not be as no one was there to record them.
No one has lived long enough to record the transmutation of anything.
The little changes over millions and billions of years that is said to be made to get from one creature to another can not be tested as it can not be reproduced.
shalamabobbi writes:
What if you received this "sufficient proof" that the ToE were true beyond any doubt. How does this affect your theology?
If that were to happen I would have to tell CS he was right all along and that is how God did it.
I would then come to the conclusion that either the idiots that recorded the OT or the ones that copied it just messed up.
Because my faith is not based in whether the OT is correct or not.
My faith is based in a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. Nothing can shake that.
I tried not to argue anything. Only point out what the 3/4 million fundamentalist that I know and fellowship with believe concerning the ToE.
Having been raised on a farm I believe in evolution. I just don't believe transmutation has ever taken place.
This will be my last post to this thread. We can argue in proper threads.
God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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