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Author Topic:   Best approaches to deal w/ fundamentalism
Taz
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Message 4 of 142 (500650)
02-28-2009 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by shalamabobbi
02-28-2009 6:07 PM


You've obviously never actually talked to a fundy before.
The number thing that will drive you crazy is these people, who claim to follow god's 10 commandments, will play dumb to avoid admitting obvious facts. This, to me, is borderline lying. This is what defense lawyers do to try to discredit witnesses. They play dumb and pretend not to understand really obvious facts and proclaim victory.
Case in point. A couple years ago I almost went insane talking to a certain member on this board over a trivial issue in the bible. I asked him how he could justify certain genocidal campaigns sanctioned by god in the old testament. He began to play dumb and told me he didn't know what I was talking about. Ok... I thought, so I began to give him all the references to the Israelites' genocidal campaigns against the Canaanites. He then responded he couldn't see anywhere where any wrong doing was committed. So, I went ahead and pointed out to him that a "sinful" city doesn't just have sinners. In order to have a viable civilization, you need men, women, children, and unborn babies. He responded that he saw no mention of killing of innocents. By this time, I was getting frustrated, so I explained to him it doesn't take that much leap of logic to add two and two together, that god commanded the Israelites to exterminate entire cities and these cities would inevitably have unborn children, babies, and toddlers. He continued to play dumb and said he didn't know what I was talking about. This was when I almost had a psychotic episode.
You can try it for yourself. Just bring up this issue and talk to one of our resident evangelists about this issue and see what happens. Playing dumb is their number 1 weapon against us. Unfortunately, there is no defense against this weapon.

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Taz
Member (Idle past 3321 days)
Posts: 5069
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Message 57 of 142 (500885)
03-02-2009 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Kelly
03-02-2009 8:18 PM


Re: not at all...
Kelly, the phrase "blind faith" is redundant in that faith, by definition, does not base on evidence. It's not up for debate. It's part of the English language. If you want to add "evidence" to whatever it is you have, use a word other than "faith".
Edited by Taz, : No reason given.

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Taz
Member (Idle past 3321 days)
Posts: 5069
From: Zerus
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Message 79 of 142 (500956)
03-03-2009 3:30 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Kelly
03-03-2009 9:25 AM


Re: I take my cue from God's Word, not man's word.
Kelly writes:
Scripture reveals that faith is weak when there is no evidence and grows stronger with more proof.
By definition in the English language, what you just described isn't faith. Once it requires evidence (material or not) to exist, it's not faith anymore. Again, this is not up for debate. It's the English language. Use another word.

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