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traste
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Message 160 of 415 (498809)
02-14-2009 4:26 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by Wounded King
02-10-2009 11:25 AM


Re: What Pasteur showed
Pasteur showed that life could not began from non life.Any it seems that you are confused of his words?

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Message 162 of 415 (498812)
02-14-2009 4:47 AM
Reply to: Message 158 by anglagard
02-14-2009 3:44 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
Ok.But mathemathical probabilty is a high mathemathics for you?High mathemathics are like differential equation,set theory, abstract algebra,number theory...just to name a few.One typical example of the mathemathical absurdness of evolution is that amino acids could get in there proper places in one chance in 10 to the 113(ten followed by 113 zeros).Supporters of evolution acknowledge that,but any event that has one chance in 10 to the 50 is dismiss by mathemathicians as never happening.Dont you hear about that?Now I liked to have my own mathemathical proof,we know the cell contains 2000 proteins serving as enzyme,what is the mathemathical probability that they came by chance?Since they should be in there proper places the chance is 2000!A very big number isnt it?

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traste
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Message 165 of 415 (498815)
02-14-2009 5:14 AM
Reply to: Message 163 by anglagard
02-14-2009 4:54 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
Excuse me.That computation is not for natural selection,it is a computation for protein that they will get it just right through random chance. By the way natural selection does not explain how organism arrive but rather it explain how organism survive.Since Iam giving you a mathemathical proof,Ill ask you to give a mathemathical proof of evolution.

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traste
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Message 167 of 415 (498818)
02-14-2009 5:25 AM
Reply to: Message 164 by cavediver
02-14-2009 5:00 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
Excuse me!I Have undergone rigid training in mathemathics.Not just a beginner.Since you are implying that mathemathics supports evolution could you give some?If you want to argue with me mathemathically then argue mathemathically not just asserting.You are implying that you are mathemathically smart,but you dont even give mathemathical proof that supports evolution.And I think you cannot read well the evolutionary tetx book say that evolution implies ramdomness otherwise it is product of intelligence.

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traste
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Message 169 of 415 (498822)
02-14-2009 5:35 AM
Reply to: Message 166 by cavediver
02-14-2009 5:20 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
First year under graduate are you kidding?It seems you are.Abstract algebra is very different in the algebra in your mind.Since you are saying that they are not high math,could you please give high math in your mind.It does not mean since you dont know those computation they dont exist isnt it?Ill challenge you mathemathically.

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traste
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Message 170 of 415 (498823)
02-14-2009 5:45 AM
Reply to: Message 168 by PaulK
02-14-2009 5:26 AM


Re: Conclusions
Why you are so clever in manupulating facts?The microbiologist I'll talk about use the same sense as Pasteur it was discuss in there book that Pasteur's experiment settle the idea that surrounds spontaneous genaration.You said quoting Miller would not do me any good,you are right but that is if I am supporter of evolution.Im so tired in replying you guys.

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traste
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Message 177 of 415 (498830)
02-14-2009 6:30 AM
Reply to: Message 174 by cavediver
02-14-2009 6:02 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
Ok.Since you are challenging me mathemathically could we start now?Prove that 1 is 2?.Proving them is just like proving that evolution is true.You could not give a mathemathiical proof of evolution since there is no such thing.And by the way Iam highly esteem in mathemathics how about you?You imply that there is no such thing as mathemathical proof in evolution of course there is no such thing because mathemathics speak againts it.But the mathemathical proof of respested British astrophycist Fred Hoyle show to me that evolution can be refute mathemathically.

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Message 178 of 415 (498831)
02-14-2009 6:35 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by cavediver
02-14-2009 5:46 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
The video say it is a product of intelligent design dont you get it?I think you have bad eyes.

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Message 179 of 415 (498832)
02-14-2009 6:39 AM
Reply to: Message 175 by Coyote
02-14-2009 6:11 AM


Re: Conclusions
Ill ready try that one and that is mathemathically absurd.Unintelligent cause nonsense..

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Message 181 of 415 (498834)
02-14-2009 6:45 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by cavediver
02-14-2009 5:46 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
So Sir Fred Hoyle has a very low understanding how mathemathics work,since he used mathemathics to refute evolution?You sounds like an idiot on that reasoning.Review your elementary mathemathics please...

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traste
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Message 182 of 415 (498835)
02-14-2009 6:48 AM
Reply to: Message 171 by cavediver
02-14-2009 5:46 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
So Sir Fred Hoyle does not know well how mathemathics work since he use mathemathics to refute evolution?You sound like an idiot on that reasoning.

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traste
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Message 197 of 415 (498983)
02-15-2009 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 11 by crashfrog
01-09-2004 7:46 PM


I seem to recall that "spontaneous generation" was the term used for the position that organisms regularly arose from non-living matter - maggots arising from rotting meat, etc. The pummelling was for the person claiming that Pasteur's disproving of spontaneous generation applied to abiogenesis, too.
You are so vigilance in spotting simalarities between organism and believe that those simalarities is an evidence for evolution,but you dont noticed the simalarities between spontaneous genartion and abiogenesis which is very obvious.

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Message 198 of 415 (498984)
02-15-2009 8:57 PM
Reply to: Message 196 by Dr Adequate
02-15-2009 6:57 PM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
Any mathematical model that does not model natural selection is not a model of evolution and has no relevance to it.And what is an example of natural selection mathemathical model?Can you provide some?

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Message 199 of 415 (498988)
02-15-2009 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by NosyNed
01-05-2004 9:58 PM


Re: A bio genesis
Here's my translation:
A - without (just like Athiest is without theism)
bio life
genesis beginning/start/creation
It is a beginning without life (from non life to life)
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Common sense isn't Here's my translation:
A - without (just like Athiest is without theism)
bio life
genesis beginning/start/creation
It is a beginning without life (from non life to life)
(You are now in conflict with Blue Jays translation.You are very dis honest guys.)

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traste
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Message 201 of 415 (499002)
02-15-2009 11:06 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by cavediver
02-14-2009 5:00 AM


Re: We have the building blocks ...
No, of course it does not - it implies order, by the filtering action of natural selection. The large scale order we see in life is simply a function of its environment. The randomness in the genetic differences across a population simply provides the source data for the filter. If you have any understanding of a Monte-Carlo simulation, then this process will be obvious to you.
You are in a very weak ground now.Prof.Richard Dawkins in his book the Selfish Gene deals with many improbable accident I think you have a trouble with him in understanding that thing.So because you said order it implies intelligent design.

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