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Author Topic:   Open Challenge: Evidence of a Young Earth
NosyNed
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Message 10 of 42 (48180)
07-31-2003 10:34 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by IrishRockhound
07-31-2003 10:03 AM


Ah, Irish but you did type it!!
"Apparently it should be a lot deeper if the Earth is millions of years old - "
Should be? How is this determined? Is there a know rate of formation? What processes from the "soil" and are there any other processes that would depress this? If you think the formation rate is constant what other processes that could supress it have you considered and why are they rejected?
If you're going to post things, Irish, then you should have all this back up, right?
Sorry, LOL.

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NosyNed
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Message 30 of 42 (49262)
08-07-2003 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Loudmouth
08-07-2003 6:13 PM


Wasn't someone supposed to trot out their best argument?
If this is the best one you've got maybe you should put some more into it.
1) We know that there are conditions and processes which can create c-14 in the upper atmosphere. So why postulate that some isn't?
2) We measure the amount in older things and it is appropriate for the independently determined age. Can you show how this would be true for some amount of "primoridial" (there form the beginning at 6,000 years ago) C-14?
3) How much of the C-14 would be "primordial" in your hypothosis?
4) Why do somethings date so well by other means to older than 6,000 years and why does this agree with C-14 dating? In what way would it be thrown off by the mix of new and old C-14?
5) If the earth is less than 6,000 years old why is some of all carbon samples the radioistope C-14? Why is there effectivly non after about 50,000 years?
Now then, what about other short lived isotopes? Why are only very long lived elements still present or the only place short-lived ones are found isassociated with their parent elements? Shouldn't they all be there? Shouldn't the only ones missing be those with half lives less than 1 or 2 thousand years?
This is the *best* you've got? sheesh

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NosyNed
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Message 34 of 42 (49281)
08-07-2003 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 32 by mike the wiz
08-07-2003 8:01 PM


Again, that's your best shot?
Could you develop the theme a little? "I think" doesn't really amount to much of a strong argument does it?
What have you considered that would counter your arguement and how do you suggest that be handled? Have you actually thought about what you are saying at all?
Have you considered impact rates, size of impactors, erosian rates etc.?
Do you understand the difference bewteen isolation of a potential fossil from destructive forces and the final fossilization? Do you have any idea of the rates of preservation and fossilization in current condtions? Are you prepared to hang your thesis on these two things?

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