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Buzsaw
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Message 2 of 12 (491408)
12-15-2008 6:59 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by NosyNed
12-09-2008 1:14 PM


Superstition and delusion are still around and strong as ever, as the “Obama is a dragon” people clearly prove, but they are just a silly fringe group. The reason they exist is because we have Americanized Christianity and Jesus Christ to such an extent it has become a completely different religion altogether. The American image of Christ is a reassuring and slightly racist image of a Caucasian Jesus with flowing chestnut locks and sparkling blue eyes. He loves good ol’ traditional American values such as capitalism, pickup trucks, guns and hard work; he’s a man’s man, our savior and our favorite drinking buddy. This manufactured American Jesus is a bizarre doppelganger, transformed to create an offensive political puppet. Though he may not be offensive to many American Christians, our bastard messiah is supremely offensive to anyone who cares about what Jesus Christ actually represents.
1. He was into good wine. He made the best for the feasters at the wedding and one of the charges of the religious Pharisees was that on occasion he ate and drank with publican sinners.
2. I doubt that he would have voted for Obama, but he might have a glass of wine with him over at the pub and attempt to enlighten him as to his choice of churches.
3. Jesus was considered a white man as are most Jews. Nothing about being racist by being born into a race.
4. No flowing locks. He was no Nazarite. He looked manly just like most to the point that Judas had to signify by a kiss which was Jesus.
5. Blue eyes? Don't know. Did some Jews have blue eyes? I would suppose so.
6. His disciples were inspired by his Holy Spirit to work if they wanted to eat.
7. Plenty of capitalism in the Bible, both OT and NT. Lidia was a seller of purple cloth. Peter and others dealt in fish.
As to what he represented, books were written on that. It's called the New Testament.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 8 of 12 (491425)
12-15-2008 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by NosyNed
12-15-2008 7:32 PM


Re: Missing the point (again)
NosyNed writes:
He loves good ol’ traditional American values such as capitalism, pickup trucks, guns and hard work; he’s a man’s man, our savior and our favorite drinking buddy.
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This is what the point is. If we take the NT as truth. Jesus would NOT support the above (well, maybe hard work). He would be totally appalled by North American values. He may well not want to vote for Obama but he would definitely not have supported McCain. Far from it.
1. Later in his ministry he advised his disciples to carry swords/armament. Now it would be a gun.
2. His disciples and followers were largely capitalists, though they shared willingly with one another. Sharing was all voluntary as was the case with Ananias and Sapphira. Paul told them it was theirs to give or to keep, but they lied and God made an example out of them for the lie.
3. How do you know he wouldn't ride in a pickup truck today? He had no earthly possessions then, but his disciples had them which they made available for his use.
4. Politics; well as a matter of fact, we don't have much to go on, but I really don't think he'd have been comfortable or accepted in Obama's church. For that matter, he'd not be accepted well in a lot of other churches today by claiming that he was the only way to God and the path to God was very narrow; relatively few finding it.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 10 of 12 (491516)
12-17-2008 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by bluescat48
12-15-2008 11:03 PM


Re: Jesus, Obama And Church
bluescat writes:
Politic? What has Obama's church have to do with politics? What does any church have to do with politics.
Obama's choice of churches may have some bearing on Jesus's opinion of Obama's brand of Christianity.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 12 of 12 (491548)
12-17-2008 11:33 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by bluescat48
12-17-2008 7:37 AM


Re: Jesus, Obama And Church
bluescat writes:
I would doubt it. If so, why hasn't he complained about how the various "brands" of Christianity differ so much yet all claim to do his bidding?
In fact both he and his disciples said a whole lot about counterfeits, imposters, and false doctrines/prophets, regarding them, on occasion, as demonic doctrines.
There's a lot of deviant forms of Christianity which Jesus would denounce today. He would most likely look favorably on forms of Christianity which were closest to his fundamentals, i.e. the Biblical fundamentalists who teach what Jesus claimed, that he was the only way to God and eternal life. That's why he was hated and crucified. That's the primary reason why his true followers today are hated and millions have been martyred throughout the Christian era.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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