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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Since this has been put into free for all changed the title to include the blessings not just the curse.
I was thinking bible inerrancy but feel too its to big to be coffee house perhaps bible study? Like the bible means what it says kind of stuff that keeps repeating all the worst natural disasters are related to Israel. Everytime we pressurized Israel to give up land to the palestians we get laid low by natural disaster within days. As a nation we need to support Israel so God will protect us as a nation instead we go the route of inviting God to do to us what were pressuring Israel to do. Seems bible study given all the supportive bible verses, that its Gods land. The timing of Gustov, Katrina, Andrew, are but a special kind of statement that no nation is exempt in respect to Israel. Joel 3:1,2For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and [for] my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. ISRAEL THE BLESSING OR THE CURSE http://www.branchofdavid.org/literature.htm In the 1400s, the Moors were kicked out of Spain by the Papal forces of Europe. In 1492, on the same day Columbus set sail for the New World, Spain expelled any unconverted Jews who had survived the Spanish Inquisition. This time they fled back to England where the Protestant reformation now welcomed them. Spain's global empire lasted less than a century after it expelled its Jews, to be replaced by the Jew-friendly British Empire whose reach extended to every corner of the globe. In 1917, the British captured Palestine from the Muslims. The British Crown offered the Jews a homeland via the Balfour Declaration, and a year later, England won the First World War. After the war, the British broke most of their promises to the Jews, restricted Jewish immigration to the Holy Land, and in the years since have increasingly turned their backs on the Jews that brought them such great blessings for more than 300 years. The British Empire upon which "the sun never set" in 1900, had, by 1948, lost its last colony when Burma declared independence, and the British Empire was no more. 'I will bless them that bless thee' Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given. Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given. Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
so where's your evidence? What land did we pressure Israel to give up during Katrina? Or this summer? Is it the threat of losing land or the actual loss of land, or both, that cause the disasters? The whole land of Canaan, where you are now an alien, I will give as an everlasting possession to you and your descendants after you; and I will be their God." Genesis 17:1-8 " 'The land must not be sold permanently, because the land is mine and you are but aliens and my tenants. Leviticus 25:23 Be strong and courageous, because you will lead these people to inherit the land I swore to their forefathers to give them. (Joshua 1,6) You gave them kingdoms and nations, allotting to them even the remotest frontiers... You made their sons as numerous as the stars in the sky, and you brought them into the land that you told their fathers to enter and possess. (Nehemiah 9,22-23) 4Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the Lord your God will gather you and bring you back. 5He will bring you to the land that belonged to your fathers, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers. Deut. 30:1-5 Joel 3:2, “I will enter into judgment with them [all the nations who] . have divided up My Land.”Ten Major U.S. Disasters on Dates Significant to Treatment of Israel-Truth! Ten major U.S. disasters on dates significant to treatment of Israel-Truth! - Truth or Fiction? FROM WND'S JERUSALEM BUREAUDid God send Katrina as judgment for Gaza? Eerie parallels between forced evacuations spark speculation Posted: September 07, 20051:00 am Eastern By Aaron Klein© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com Page not found - WND Joel 3:2, “I will enter into judgment with them [all the nations who] . have divided up My Land.” Attention Required! | Cloudflare
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
What did China do to Israel to cause their earthquake this Spring? What did Haiti do to them to get two killer hurricanes in a couple of weeks? The hurricanes hitting the US are actually sent by Allah to punish us for supporting Israel, johnfolton. Don't you know nuthin' Allahs the great Satan the muslims god! thought you knew this? Here's a verse perhaps about the Lord sitting at the right hand that God judges amoung the heathen nations. In verse 1 the Lord said unto my Lord sit thou at my right hand until I make thine enemies a footstool. psalm 110:1 in verse 4 we see he has sworn and will not repent that he will strike thru kings in the day of his wrath. akjv psalms 110:6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies: he shall wound the heads over many countries. Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
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So what about all the disasters before Israel existed. There have been hurricanes, tornadoes, Earthquakes, Volcanic eruptions, Asteroid hits etc. long before Israel existed, long before humans existed, long before dinosaurs existed, long before trilobites existed long before any life existed. Explain that. First of all you must realize its an young earth so lets go after the biblical Noah Flood that happened approximately 5,400 years if you go with one day is a thousand years.
Deuteronomy 32:9 "For the LORD'S portion is His people; Jacob is the allotment of His inheritance. Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given. Edited by AdminNosy, : off topic hidden
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
First of all you must realize that all the evidence points to an old earth, speed of light, radioactive decay etc. or would you have me believe that God is a prankster making the universe and earth seem older than it is? See how the prankster satan turned the information around if you'd actually check it out it all comes back young, spacetime dilation, primordial polonium, radioactive decay but that has nothing to do with this topic other than the devil that is satan whom the muslims on bended knee are listening to in respect to Israel. The devil is using the muslims like he is using the evolutionists because its all about Gods Word. Off topic hidden; use peek to see it Edited by AdminNosy, : hiding off topic stuff
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Everyone knows all of the hurricanes are punishments from God for tolerating homosexuality! Katrina did stop one of those get togethers, hmmm... love it a two for one! So your partly at fault for Katrina but think we all knew that the bigger issue was the timing in respect to Israel land! Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
So you admit that this God guy of yours is too puny to stop Allah from sending his wrath against the heathen Christians! Not at all akjv psalm 91:1, akjv Romans 2:3 It will take only one angel to grab Allah (the great satan) and bind and seal in a hole in the earth. Allah is whispering in the muslims ear that they should destroy Israel by strapping bombs but all that is happening is the muslims themselves are being cut into pieces how is this not fullfilling Zehariah 12:3 Zechariah 12:1 clarifies the God of the bible is the creator that stretches out the heavens and layeth down the foundations of the earth and formeth the spirit of man within him. If the God of creation is doing battle with Allah then Allah is the great deciever the dragon the great satan,etc... Tell it like it is the devil goal is to be God and he has the entire muslim nation worshipping him unawares.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
So, you have no evidence you deity exists, no evidence to support your assertion that natural disasters are the direct result of "God's Wrath," Gods wrath is to happen after the rapture and the reaping of the first resurrection akjv rev chapter 15 but agree Katrina was more about Gaza a prophetic link to the the coming apocalypse. I don't hate you but the bible says not to do the same things, think its talking to normal marriage not to lay as a man to a man with your wife thus to leave judgement to God but know the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. akjv zephaniah 2:4 Thus a lot of wifes husbands like you do such abominations and God sees all thats done in secret. It then says akjv romans 2:5when you harden your heart your treasuring up wrath against thyself against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God which is what were talking about in respect to the apocolypse that the giving up of Gaza is signalling the coming apocolypse. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= A terrible warning: 'Gaza Will Be Forsaken' . . . Recently the world watched as all the Jews in Gaza were forcibly removed from their homes and their land ... even the dead Jews were forcibly dug up from their graves and removed from Gaza. This 'uprooting' of the Jews from Gaza which the whole world watched on the news may be a much more 'significant' prophetic event than most realize, and the Bible warns there is more to come . . . In the book of Zephaniah, God warns Gaza would one day 'be forsaken' (yes, that same Gaza you have now been watching on the world news). Gaza is in the land which was given to the tribe of Judah (Joshua 15:1-12), and one of Messiah's titles is "The Lion of the Tribe of Judah." The Bible links the forsaking of Gaza to the coming 'Apocalypse,' which is also called 'The Day of Wrath' and the 'Day of the Lord's Anger." http://www.alphanewsdaily.com/...1%20Israel%20Jerusalem.html Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
I can assure you that it is the Christian 'god' that is going to look damn stupid, along with all his Christians, on the day of judgement I just find it interesting as were moving toward the apocalypse you have at CERN starting up one of the largest ever accelerator. Is it safe? Actually it says on the day of judgment after the apocalypse and after the 1000 year reign of Christ from Jerusalem the second death shall have no power. All those that have ever lived that are not of the first resurrection will be resurrected to life at the great judgement before the great white throne. The second death is all that will matter because those of the second resurrection are at risk of being tossed into a lake of fire if they have not accepted Christ the Word as their saviour. 'Big Bang' machine could destroy the planet, says lawsuitBy Tom Leonard in New York Last Updated: 12:01am BST 01/04/2008 Environment - The Telegraph Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
None of that tripe consisted of evidence supporting the existence of your deity Gaza the prophecy that it would be forsaken has been fullfilled. A Prophecy happening that was prophecied thousands of years before it happened. akjv zephaniah 2:4 P.S. Your abomination is just part of all the other abominations that refuse to repent thus bringing on the wrath of God. God pleading for Israel and the world like you is not listening yet when the world takes Jerusalem instead of giving the land to Israel. When the nations of the earth take jerusalem it will be taken at that point in time the Lord will come out of heaven and stand on the mount of olives and the kings of the earth that battle against will be destroyed becoming it says a great supper for the fowl. And from jerusalem shall the saints and the lord reign from jerusalem. akjv zerchariah 14:5 Edited by johnfolton, : No reason given.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
At this deity is certainly not the Christian god and it is very much interested in bringing about the end of the world. Prophecy says not to have other gods but that victory is the Lords. Guess it does not matter the victory is the Lords and Jerusalem shall be taken back from those that refused to listen to the Lords pleadings about the land. P.S. All you are able to do is tape the superbowl while working and not talk to anyone to not know the outcome before viewing the tape. Prophecy however is knowing an outcome before it happens or taping the super bowl in the future and watching it before going to work. This is not possible for man but to God he knows not just the past but the present and the future. We have a God of unlimited power that lays claim to the land of Israel and the world is not listening. Instead all you will find is them mocking, but if the Lord is all powerful is that wise to be listening to the devil,also called the great satan, also called allah, etc...
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
I wanted it to be Bible study because its all about prophecy happening in the present. Then moose change the title I tried to change the title again but "its still is not right" cause all natural judgments are not all related to Israels land some are related to heathen nation judgments like the tusami of Indonesia, etc...
P.S. I'm only willing to discuss this topic from the bible study not the coffee house defining whats on topic. Time to take a Percy break but request this thread be closed because its not in bible study!
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Odd, how God's punishment seems to be related more to natural atmospheric patterns The Lord is slow to anger, and great in power, and will not at all acquit the wicked: the LORD hath his way in the whirlwind and in the storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet. akjv Nahum 1:3
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
Actually, there are a lot of very thoughtful secular Jews in Israel, many of them, not surprisingly, anti-religious, and many who strongly oppose government policies on settlement and other things (as I'm sure you know), but there are not enough of them to predominate. Actually 2/3 of the jewish people voted to forsake gaza given Israel is just tenants and its Gods land prophecy has it only 1/3 of the people of Israel will survive the coming apocolypse.
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johnfolton  Suspended Member (Idle past 5622 days) Posts: 2024 Joined: |
GWB and company are in DC and yet he aims the hurricanes at the southern coast of the US? I think he should get his vision checked. Did you ever think that perhaps God put George W.Bush in office. God has to judge our nation when our nation forced Israel to give up land. Israel too its said might be judged due 2/3 voted to forsake gaza however 1/3 will be left after the apocalypse.
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