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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
I did not say he had to be omnipotent. Therefore, you are making up your own definition and putting in your own flaws.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
I ask you the same question: What is your definition of Good and Bad? You seem to be fixed on killing children as being bad. Let me ask you a simple question: What is your opinion on abortion? If you have no definition of good and bad then you have no argument at all.
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Agobot Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
OpenMInd writes: I did not say he had to be omnipotent. Therefore, you are making up your own definition and putting in your own flaws. He's definitely not omnipotent. Now if you acknowledge he's not benevolent, I might start to consider that there is a small possibility that such a being might have designed this world. Most religions' fault is that they paint a very unfitting image of god to the reality at hand.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
If you have no definition of Good and Evil, how can you make any judgement about G-d's benevolence?!
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Agobot Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
OpenMind writes: I ask you the same question: What is your definition of Good and Bad? You seem to be fixed on killing children as being bad. Let me ask you a simple question: What is your opinion on abortion? If you have no definition of good and bad then you have no argument at all. Whaever causes human or animal suffering, trauma, distress or death is bad. If you are introducing the notion of God, you have to be aware that most of these atrocities, taking place in this world, will have to billed to God. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Are you a vegetarian? What is your opinion on abortion? If someone is comming to kill you, would you kill him first? If someone killed your kids, would you take revenge?
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
You have to realize that when you created your kids, you also caused their death. Think about that one.
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Agobot Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
Are you a vegetarian?
I am not and I hate god for creating such a wicked world where we have to kill animals to survive.(I know we can survive without meat but we'll have to accept certain health issues, stemming from millions of years of consuming meat and our bodies adjusting to its ingredients)
What is your opinion on abortion? Killing and death is not good.(if someone can prove me that impetuses do not feel pain in the first month of pregnancy i might be willing to reconsider)
If someone is comming to kill you, would you kill him first Only if i have no choice.
If someone killed your kids, would you take revenge? What kind of dumbshit is this? Why would god take revenge on me, my kids or animals? DID SOMEONE KILL GOD'S CHILDREN AND MADE HIM TAKE REVENGE ON MOST EVERYONE OF US? Is he that low? Or are you saying killing children is good? Let me ask you - what do you feel when you watch sub-saharan children starve to death in terrible pains on CNN? Or children born to HIV mothers only to live till they reach 10? Are you celebrating because you think god's doing good? Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
So you would kill animals because it is not convenient to live as a vegetarian. That does not sound very nice to me. Because it is not even possible to prove whether another grown human is actually feeling pain, I assume you are anti-abortion. You also happen to value your life over other peoples lives. What if you had to drop a nuclear bomb, because the entire USA was hunting you down. Would you do that to save your own life? If I killed your kids would you blaim it on G-d or on me? Or would you blaim it on no one because I am a chemical like anything else in this world? If you would kill your own kids, would you blaim G-d for that? Would you give your child a vaccine while watching him cry out in pain?
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Agobot Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
OpenMInd writes: So you would kill animals because it is not convenient to live as a vegetarian. I am considering becoming a vegetarian, the only thing that stops me is my fear that I might die earlier and leave my kids untimely. Besides, it was not me but your god who created this foul and wicked world. And please stop lying before god - i never said i would kill animals.
That does not sound very nice to me. Because it is not even possible to prove whether another grown human is actually feeling pain, I assume you are anti-abortion. I said I am against abortion.
You also happen to value your life over other peoples lives. Where did i say this? You are lying before G-d
What if you had to drop a nuclear bomb, because the entire USA was hunting you down. Would you do that to save your own life? What are smoking?
If I killed your kids would you blaim it on G-d or on me? Or would you blaim it on no one because I am a chemical like anything else in this world? If you would kill your own kids, would you blaim G-d for that? Would you give your child a vaccine while watching him cry out in pain? What does this godless NONSENSE have to do with the topic? Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Just answer the vaccine question, then I will make my point.
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Agobot Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
Would you give your child a vaccine while watching him cry out in pain? If i'd be helping him stay alive and healthy - yes.
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Agobot Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
You have to realize that when you created your kids, you also caused their death. Think about that one. Yes, you are right. And it gives me TREMENDOUS pain to say the least. It's dreadful and it's unjustifiable if your god designed this. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
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Open MInd Member (Idle past 1283 days) Posts: 261 Joined: |
Thank you for your honest response. Now what is so hard about understanding this world? According to the tradition, this world is only a corridor for the next world. G-d wishes to give us good. But He also realizes with his infinite wisdom that an earned reward is better than a free reward. This world is meant to be a place where we earn our rewards that we will receive on the next world. Every pleasure in this world is short lived. You do not become happier by believing that this "miserable world is all that exists." This will just make you extremely depressed if you ever have a bad day. Even a good day will make you depressed because it will just come and go. Since nothing will stay forever, even your daughter will one day die, how can anyone enjoy this world with the mindset that this is all we have? Think of what you are doing when you are giving your child a vaccine. You are giving her a lot of pain, but you know that it is for her benefit. Similarly, G-d knows what is going on in this world. He also knows that the troubles on this world are all for your benefit. Death is not evil at all to someone who knows that he will go on to another world. Even in the Torah, G-d tells Moses that he is going to die. Death is only seen as an evil thing for people who think that this "miserable life" will end at the grave.
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Agobot Member (Idle past 5560 days) Posts: 786 Joined: |
OpenMInd writes: Thank you for your honest response. Now what is so hard about understanding this world? According to the tradition, this world is only a corridor for the next world. G-d wishes to give us good. But He also realizes with his infinite wisdom that an earned reward is better than a free reward. This world is meant to be a place where we earn our rewards that we will receive on the next world. Every pleasure in this world is short lived. You do not become happier by believing that this "miserable world is all that exists." This will just make you extremely depressed if you ever have a bad day. Even a good day will make you depressed because it will just come and go. Since nothing will stay forever, even your daughter will one day die, how can anyone enjoy this world with the mindset that this is all we have? Think of what you are doing when you are giving your child a vaccine. You are giving her a lot of pain, but you know that it is for her benefit. Similarly, G-d knows what is going on in this world. He also knows that the troubles on this world are all for your benefit. Death is not evil at all to someone who knows that he will go on to another world. Even in the Torah, G-d tells Moses that he is going to die. Death is only seen as an evil thing for people who think that this "miserable life" will end at the grave. Unfortunately, you are sharing the perceptions of my Grand, Grand, Grand, Grand... mother who lived 2000 years and who thought the Earth was flat. I am not buying this stuff, I consider myself a modern man, who seeks more knowledge, evidence and facts to fill my empty head. I read a lot, everyday in books and on the internet in every field of science. I am definitely not the type of guy who will fall for the religious brainwashing fairytales.We know for certain what happens at the grave and that's one of the reasons why this life is so dismal and fucked up. The happier and closer you are with your kids, the greater the pain on the grave(for both sides). Edited by Agobot, : No reason given. Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.
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