Can God create another God?

Atheism is not modern at all. It was around way before Christianity as well as Islam. People thought as you do even when science thought the world was made out of fire, water, earth, and air. Science may be progressing, but heretics existed ever since the begining. Don't fool yourself into thinking that your vast knowledge of physics and biology are causing you to ignore G-d. People with far less knowledge than yourself have come to the same conclusions over 2000 years ago. What was their motive? Edited by Open MInd, : No reason given.

I don't know how many atheists there were 2000 years ago, but I know for certain that just a few hundred years ago there was no question about who created the world. Just about anyone would tell you - god did it. At that time, athists hardly had any evidence that life was possible without god, so essentially, that doesn't change the fact that you are stuck where my grand, grand, grand... mother from 2000 years ago was.

Ag writes:What in your view is the "unfitting image" that religion paints to actual reality and how would you apply it in an argument?D Bertot

I've already said what i think in previous posts - God is neither omnipotent nor benevolent.

Ag writes:Ok I'll try and extract out of it what you might mean by religions failure to represent reality.D Bertot

You are lying. You do not know for certain what people thought 100 years ago. If you are interested, look up the philosophy of Epicurus. This man died in the year 270 BCE. You may find a similarity between your "modern" philosophy and that of this man who lived 2270 years ago. Now I ask you the same question: What was the reason for this man's beliefs? Also, look at many of the Greek philosophers. How many of them believed in one G-d? I don't know if any of them did. But, Judaism was already around for over 1000 years by that time. Also, if you are interested in reading the Torah, you should read about the Tower. This story depicts people living about 4000 years ago that do not believe in G-d. Your faith is very very ancient. The origin of life never seemed to bother any atheist. Furthermore, Charles Darwin is far from the first person to consider the origin of life through natural processes. The idea of Uniformitarianism was around for about 1000 years. The idea that everyone once thought that the world was created by G-d is completely laughable. The Jewish community alone can name countless heretics throughout the years in every single generation. You are the one with an ancient belief. Edited by Open MInd, : No reason given.

According to this table, there were just 225 000 atheists in 1900. In 2000 there are 150 000 000:Annual Table of World Religions, 1900-2025Edited by Agobot, : No reason given.

God is good. All the actions of God are good. All that opposes God is evil.That is my definition for the purposes of this debate. Do you agree or disagree? Well are they bad things? Love, forgiveness, compassion, loyalty. Are these not the teachings of the bible? I have defined good and evil. See above. No you have not. That is why I keep on asking the same question.If I oppose God condemning people to eternal damnation on the grounds of love, forgiveness, compassion and loyalty am I evil?By the definition of good and evil I gave above the answer is "yes".So what is your defintion of good and evil? What is your answer to the question of opposing God on the basis of love, compassion, forgiveness and loyalty? Is this evil?Simple question. Stop playing games. Stop declaring that you have answered the question when you have not. Just try answering the question.The truth can always be questioned. Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

What you show is actually predicted by the Torah. G-d says in the Torah that the Jews will forget about G-d when they reach the land and start having great lives. This is simple. When the average human being is living a happy life, there is no reason to believe in G-d. During the 20th century the standard of living has increased dramatically, the effectiveness of medicine has increased, the venues for entertainment have increased, and many people are frying their brains with television and video games from the age of 4. This definitely leads to an increase in atheists. You are just going with the flow my friend. However, this is not a result of science, but a result of comfort. The average person feels so comfortable with the pleasures of life, that he does not bother thinking about G-d. The Torah then goes on to say that G-d will bring destruction to the Jews for forgetting G-d. If you are wondering about why G-d is bringing tragedy in a world of 150,000,000 atheists, ponder no further. The fact that you even continue to exist shows how merciful G-d is. The Jews were eventually thrown out of the land and the bloodshed was so horrific that you would never be able to comprehend it. I would not be surprised to see some really bad tragedies in a world like today.

If the world is geting increasingly more comfortable as belief and interest in God wanes then would we not be better off without him altogether?

I do not know what the teachings of the Bible are. I only read the Torah. Having said that, if such a case is theoretically possible (that you would use these things to try to go against G-d) then you would be doing EVIL. HOWEVER, because G-d does not lie, it is not really possible for such a thing to happen, assuming these traits are considered good under my definition. You may think that you are using love and mercy, when you are really using anger and hatred. I encourage you to read my posts to agobot, especially the case of the vaccination of children. This may give you a good example of what I am saying. Imagine stopping a child from having a rabies vaccine because you don't want him to have pain.I think I should also add that the Jews do not believe that G-d will condemn anyone to eternal torture. The Christian description of hell is made to be understood by 4 year old children, and it is in no way reality. I don't know what exactly Christians have to say, but it seems like they argue greatly with Judaism about what will happen after death. The Jewish version is a lot more complicated (as usual), and it makes much more sense.Edited by Open MInd, : No reason given.

You have the cause and effect mixed up. Comfort causes lack of belief. Lack of belief does not cause comfort. If the world will continue to increase in this level of disbelief, don't be surprised if we see World War 3.

Didn't you mean "World of Aircraft 3"?

Hi, Open MInd. I would argue that frying brains has little to do with atheism. As a theist, I associate deeply and frequently with a lot of religious people. My entire family and most of my best friends are deeply entrenched in Mormonism. Even though I think Mormonism is true, I am surprised by how much it fries people's brains: religion is largely used by people as an excuse to turn the brain off. Atheism does not show this trend.Did you get to read my Message 128 yet? I was very pleased with that one. What do you think of it?

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I could not help but laugh when I read this. Maybe this is why so many Christians and Mormons start becoming atheist. You have obviously never looked into Judaism. Of course you do not have to be Jewish to believe in Judaism. Only Jews must follow all of the commandments. But this is a side issue. It is exactly the opposite case with Jews. Those who cannot stand the mental stimulation of studying the Talmud end up becoming atheists. I have tried both Talmud and Science, and I can testify that science is much easier than in depth talmud study.