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LudoRephaim
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Message 219 of 262 (476950)
07-28-2008 8:50 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by anglagard
05-27-2007 3:12 AM


Re: Just Say No to Bigfoot etc.
Hey anglagard.
Evidently you have not spent enough time in the wilderness of the American west to see all kinds of things, indlucing cadavers and bones. I have personally seen black bears dozens of times, along with every bgger than squirrel mammal i know of that hangs out round these parts, except a bobcat.
I have often went on hunting trips into the deep east Texas wilderness (my Dad loves to hunt and took me when i was younger)as well as camped and hiked a lot. I remember once coming across a number of large bones on a dirt trail, which I took for a cow (Being no anatomist or biologist, i could have misidentified the bones...), but i cannot recall ever seeing another dead animal in the woods that was not recently shot.
I have ever seen a sasquatch in the Texas woods, but i have never seen Cougars there either, even though i came across a track that seemed to have been made by one (very huge might it add, though to this day i dont know whether it was made by a cougar or a massive dog). I have seen numerous snakes; the woods can be saturated with them. But i've never seen a dead one unless freshly killed by a person or a dog.
If Bigfoot exists, we know next to didly squat about their biology and living habits when compared to blackbears and other animals known to science. That could possibly hinder a person from finding a dead one in the woods (if you know a whole lot about Blackbears, you will most likely know where to find dead ones along with living ones).
True, many people who have went through the deep wilderness of the west have not found sasquatch or things like Sasquatch scat and hair or corpses. That's probably the same experience that African explorers had when going through Gorilla country; no dead bodies of Gorillas, hair or scat, but some other dead well known animals nearby. Similar things were probably said of Giant Pandas, Giant Squid, Orangutans, Colossal Squids, Komodo Dragons, Koupreys, Saolas, Kermode Spirit Bears (black bears with white hair, such a contrast), Onza (somewhat wolf-like population of Mexican Cougars), King Cheetahs (stocky, darker spotted, snarly Cheetah that is born nowand again among populations of normal cheetahs), Giant Forest Hog (Africa), Okapi, etc.
BTW: are you a field biologist? I could have sworn you mentioned being in the wilderness of several states in a post shortly after the one i am responding to you now. A person who is capable of finding numerous black bear bodies in the woods must be well trained and skilled to find them.
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LudoRephaim
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Message 222 of 262 (477032)
07-29-2008 3:26 PM
Reply to: Message 221 by Artemis Entreri
07-29-2008 12:50 PM


Rebel Bigfoot Hunter
Thanks for the 411.
Thanks man. The one that really spooked me was the one on the Giant Humbolt squid; A squid that vicious and that big (60 feet if a humbolt, 108 feet if a regular giant squid)that was seen on the video tape could possibly even cause someone just watching it on the net or tv to need clean underwear. It makes me think of HP lovecraft's "The Call of Cthulhu". I cant wait for the shows to come out on DVD for sale at a local bookstore or video store.
If you want to read some interesting research and stuff on Bigfoot, id recommend "Sasquatch: leend meets science" by Jeff Meldrum. It does a pretty good job showing the evidence for sasquatch.
BTW: love the avatar! The South shall rise again!!!!
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LudoRephaim
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Message 227 of 262 (477064)
07-29-2008 9:12 PM
Reply to: Message 225 by anglagard
07-29-2008 8:09 PM


Re: Just Say No to Bigfoot etc.
anglagard writes:
Just follow the vultures, they know where to look. Also Creeks and Bodies of water seem to be a favorite for half-rotten cadavers.
I'll keep that in mind. Are there vultures in the States? I thought they were only african birds. But nevertheless any bird of prey would do. I doubt that hawks and eagles are above scvenging.
anglagard writes:
Also have encountered a few dead rattlesnakes, but it's not the dead ones that worry me that much.
No kidding lol.
Anglagard writes:
It seems these puported creatures favor areas with lots of undergrowth and cover such as the Pacific Northwest to foil those park rangers and spy satellites
That is the point;such areas are perfect for hiding wildlife and unknown creatures. It was only a few years ago that several species of monkey were "discovered" in the Rain forests of south America. Spy satellites can be useful for disproving some cryptid accounts (Living mammoths in Siberia), but there are still areas of the world where they still cannot penetrate (and of course some footage for national security reasons remains classified, and might actually contain images of a sasquatch or other cryptids. Al gore had to convince the Navy to lend him some evidence they accumulated during the cold war that inadvertenly showed evidence of Global warming. See his "an Inconvenient truth").
And when it comes to the Oceans, sattelites are not going to fair well in proving nor disproving cryptids. New species of animals are discovered there everyday. If you want to find numerous new species of animals, some of them large, search the seas.
Anglagard writes:
Perhaps those white hunters should have asked the natives.
Legends and accounts of Gorillas were known to western science for years before Gorillas where shown to exist. Obviously some of those hunters/missionaries/explorers must have heard at least something about them for the western world to doubt there existence until proven in the 1800's. Same goes for the Mountain Gorilla as a subspecies. Native accounts of Sasquatch have been treated with the same skepticism. Along with several (if not all) of the others i've mentioned (replace "Natives" with "sailors" when it comes to sea creatures, ie giant squid).
Still, in order to prove Sasquatch we need remains; dead body.There was one skull cap called "The Minaret Skull" that was said to have been from a sasquatch, but that peice of evdence was highly controversial and i believe later lost. And the biggest evidence against a Sasquatch is the fact that they have not become roadkill like Grizzlies and other wild animals. Yet the unidentifiable hairs, tracks with Dermal ridges and signs of pliableness, butt prints (Snicker), body prints, Native traditions, among other evidences leads me to conclude that there is a large non-human primate living in the pacific northwest. As for the eastern sightings, a lot of those seem to be beyond the scope of normal science and are possibly beyond natural scrutiny.
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Message 228 of 262 (477065)
07-29-2008 9:36 PM
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07-29-2008 8:09 PM


No pobem
Anglagard writes:
sorry if i somehow accidentaly misled you or coyote.
No problemo. You've written some good insights about your forays of the bush.

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Message 236 of 262 (478457)
08-15-2008 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 230 by Artemis Entreri
08-15-2008 11:06 AM


Re: body found
When i first heard this story, i prayed to God that it was legit. After learning more about it, i quickly felt like it was very likely a hoax. I read statements from Loren Coleman and Jeff Meldrum that seemed to cast a big doubt upon the so-called find and Biscardi, the latter i have never heard of nor found in any of my cryptozoology/unexplained books (i have several at home).
The body seems similar to a huge sasquatch costume online for sure, though if it is they made the face blackened, to make it seem i guess like areal corpse or to distinguish it from the suit to show some sort of authenticity.
I just watched the press conference online; i couldn't hear the questions, but the answers intrigued me a bit. It smells fishy, and the idea that a bigfoot hoazer would actually be associated with ultimate proof of sasquatch is mind boggling, yet not impossible.
If this is a hoax (very likely), it will just add further ridicule to the entire search (a ridicule.harsh sketicism you can find almost everywhere you look, from the net to your neighbor). The hoax would not deter from the facts showing that Bigfoot is possible (Meldrum's "Sasquatch; legend meets science" has a good amount of evidence), but it would make such evidence harder to put forth to the media. I wonder if there are professional Bigfoot hoaxers hired by logging interests to further cast doubt on the legend, so that they wont have to one day find their jobs a lot harder due to an newely discovered, endangered forest ape, and if this Bascardi might be one of them. I wont make accusations or anything, but that might coe up if this proves to be another hoax.
Several things do stick out though; the fact that it is found in georgia (eastern US Bigfoot sightings and NAPE (north American ape) sightings are known, and even eastern cnadian bigfoot are not unheard of (Ontario's "old Yellow Top"), the idea of finding one in Georgia causes me to raise a brow. Plus it does not look like (in the face at least, fro what we can see) the Patterson sasquatch (called "Patty"). This could be due to differences in population or genetic background, different species or even the prospect that the bigfoot is a NAPE and not bigfoot proper (Napes are supposed to be more "ape-like", ie they sometimes walk on their knuckles and have footprints with aposable big toes, etc). Of course, the above could also indicate a hoax (if it doesn't lok like a duck, it just might not be one...hehehehe).
I truly hope that this is the smoking gun, but i'll await further investigation. At the conference the youtube hoax and brother-mascarading-as-scientist videos are explained, but i dont think that "having fun with it" and other reasons they gave are really likely. I'm holding out on this one.

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Message 237 of 262 (478459)
08-15-2008 4:06 PM


Jeff Meldrum
This is an interview scientific American had with Jeff Meldrum about this Bigfoot body affair. You'll have your skepticism further reinforced by it.
We're Sorry - Scientific American

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Message 238 of 262 (478464)
08-15-2008 5:41 PM


What killed...it?
In the news conference, there was speculation as to what killed the "creature". On of the original "discoverers" insisted that they would know when an autosy was preformed. There could be numerous reasons why it was killed (assuming it is legit), including disease, wounds recieved in a scuffle with another sasquatch, old age, etc. I could peopose a theory that it may have come into conflict with a Blackbear and was killed by it. They live in the region, and if they get up to 400-500 lbs there, it could be potentially powerful enough to kill a similar-sized ape in a brawl. But of course Black bears are usually skittish, and are likely to run from something as large and menancing as a Sasquatch (like they do at times when confronted by cougars and even domestic housecats; compared to these two animals, Black bears have greater size and brawn (both relative and absolute in the latter), but they are not as agressive as Grizzlies).
Still, that possibility should not be ruled out. In The book "Abominable Snowmen: Legend come to life" Ivan T. Sanderson records an eyewitness account of a Sasquatch battling a large bear(Black bear, since the last California Grizzly was killed in 1922, while this incident happened in 1936) in northern California, though in this case the bear died of strangulation atfer a long period of scrapping (see "Abominable Snowmen, Legend come to life, chapter 4, page 72 (other editions might vary with page number), and "The Grizzly Almanac" by Robert Busch, page 115). According to the Yokuts Indians, Sasquatch (called by them "Hairy Man") was said to prey on Grizzlies ("Sasquatch: legend meets science", page 80-81, complete with sketch of old Yokuts Rock art depicting Hairy Man). The last bit of evidence seems to go against the supposed Bigfoot find (said to have be vegetarian, yet the press conference showed it had Opossum DNA, supposidly due to being eaten by the "Georgia Gorilla")but then again Gorillas were thought to be terribly violent creatures until more was learned about them, practical Bigfoot-like creature in its own right.

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Message 239 of 262 (478466)
08-15-2008 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by New Cat's Eye
08-15-2008 3:10 PM


Re: I like the game cam ones
The top video seems to look like a certain chimpanzee that made headlines several years ago. It was a a captive chimp that walked uprigt and looked eerily "human-like". Some thought it was a missing link or somewhat human, but i believe he was taught to walk upright by his former owner, who i believe was a circus worer. I do not remember the name of the chimp, but i think it was something like "Oscar" or "Otis".
The second video is too fuzzy to tell what the figure was; it could have been a bigfoot or a man in an ape suit, or maybe just a guy (possibly a hunter) walking in the woods. It seems to be muscular, and i thought of the australiopithecines for some reason when i watched it. Hopefully I spelt "Australiopithecines" right. Still intriguing nevertheless, and the trip camera is one of the best tools a cryto-zoologist can use to gather evidence of unknown animals. They use such technology a lot on Monsterquest.

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Message 240 of 262 (478470)
08-15-2008 7:45 PM


Le Minaret Skull
This article gives more on the "Minaret skull" which is considered by some to be a good canidate for physical Bigfoot remains, yet is seemingly unattainable due to academic red-tape at the university were it likely resides to this day:
http://www.bfro.net/REF/THEORIES/MJM/minaret.htm

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Message 241 of 262 (478473)
08-15-2008 7:54 PM


Homo Erectus Americanum
There is also the find of what looks like a homo erectus browridge a Lake Chapala Mexico; Highly controversial, yet if proven true could be considered as either evidence for the potential arrival of Gigantopithecus into America (for information on the above, see "Sasquatch: legend meets science, page 96), or if you prefer real physical remains of a sasquatch, in this hypothesis one and the same with Homo erectus.
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Message 242 of 262 (478484)
08-15-2008 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 235 by New Cat's Eye
08-15-2008 3:10 PM


Oliver the walking Chimp
I finally found the ame of that chimp. It was the famous Oliver the Chimp, which was trained to walk upright and had curious human-like facial features. Genetic testing showed that he was a chimp and not a human/chimp hybrid (humanzee), but he nevertheless had some genetic anomalies. The wikipedia article on Oliver has a lot of info, but due to something with its particular web address i cant properly put a link up. Just go to google and hit "Oliver+chimp+wikipedia" and it should show.
There is also the first part of the major discovery documentary about Oliver, complete with the supposed "Bigfoot footage". Go to youtube and hit "The human chimp part 1" and it should be there. The other parts should be available from there, including His DNA analysis.
its funny how the dosumentary mentions Oliver being called "Bigfoot" during his reign of fame, among other things.
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LudoRephaim
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Message 243 of 262 (478571)
08-17-2008 9:51 PM


Bgft News conference on YOUTUBE
The news conference on the "dead Sasquatch" is on youtube. put in the search engine "Georgia Bigfoot Body Press Conference Part 1" and you should see the clip under the same name. The other parts go from there. I believe the person who posted them is under VANVALIS. I would try to post a link but for some reason the weblinks to youtube are not acting right (must be putting them on here wrong).
drink some coffee and watch
BTW: You will find Biscardi and the two hunters HIGHLY suspicious with some of the things they say. On monday there should be some accouncement as to which scientists will look at the body, so we will have to wait for that.
Parsonally, i think they should have at least brought a hand of the "monster" to the press conference to show they were legit.

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Message 244 of 262 (478573)
08-17-2008 10:12 PM


What are you doing with that... dog?????
I saw this pic on the net a while back, but i didn't notice something in it that was highly peculiar. The photo is said to be of a dog-headed critter which looks like a Gorilla (i will go out on a limb and say that the face resembles a Brown Bears while most of the other parts of the body appear VERY gorilla like). The monster in question was not the unusual part of the pic; If you look closely, the creature is holding a tiny dog, a toy breed;
the website about it is here
http://www.haveyouseenthiscreature.com
I will not conclude whether this is a fake or a legit sighting at the moment, but i will continue to observe it.
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Message 245 of 262 (478574)
08-17-2008 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 244 by LudoRephaim
08-17-2008 10:12 PM


roof roof! double take
Look at the dog again; its right eye seems wounded. There is a somewhat reddish tent around it, unlike the other eye. That could be an injury caused by the initial encounter between these two furballs. A wound like that could be caused by shaking the animal hard.
If this is not a hoax pic...poor dog.
If it is a hoax, hopefully the people who m ade it didn't wound the dog on purpose to make the pic more convincing.
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LudoRephaim
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Message 248 of 262 (478614)
08-18-2008 3:53 PM
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08-18-2008 6:15 AM


human arms
Hello Bluescat
Yes the critter in question has a more human-like build in the arms tan a gorilla. The arms especially appear human in length. The body is robust and the creature has a similar hair color to a Gorilla and what appears to be a "saggital Crest" (though it seems kinda flat for one, possibly a sign of a hoax), but it is not a Gorilla (No Gorilla has a bear's snout, ie what appears to me like a Brown Bear's snout). It could be a clever photoshop (Guy in an ape suit, holding a dog, later a computer guy puts a bear mouth/snout on its face). I wont go so far to say it is a hoax, but Photos can be easily faked. Even in the past this was true (There was a big ruckus over some pics of what appeared to be fairies back in the early 20th century made by two girls; they later admitted it was a hoax after decades of study and speculation. But now we have computers.)
Now there have been sightings of werewolf-like creatures in the eastern 48 along with bigfoot and Man-bear sightings (one example of a "Wolfman" was the beast of bray road incident), and the website tries to tie this into te pic in question, but if you look at it you can tell it has no ears and the mouth/snout looks more bearlike than dog/woldlike. It looks more like those "man-bear" sightings (even for an opened minded person like me this stretches reality a bit.)
There is a debate over whether the dog being held is relly a dog or a pig; But the animal does not have pointed ears like a pig, its ears are down and hairy, and its nose is a dogs. It might be a toy poodle (i owned two of those. Without the stylized hair-cut they look like what you see in the poto).
Photos will never be enough (Biscardi and the other men who claim "bigfoot's body" should have known that before making their farce of a press conference.) even one as intriguing as this one; You need a body.
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