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Fosdick 
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Message 170 of 519 (472149)
06-20-2008 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 169 by Taz
06-20-2008 3:07 PM


Re: Don't civil unions do enough for legal purposes?
Taz writes:
You remind me of the neo-nazi I talked to a couple years ago who complained that they were being persecuted by society for having "a different opinion".
What I'd like to see is full-on battle between the neo-Nazis and the gays using barbed Hershey Highway pikes. I'd pay to watch it on Pay-Per-View TV. And I'm betting the gays would win, owing to the fact that they have more experience poking around with their Hershey Highway pikes.
”HM

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Message 175 of 519 (472243)
06-21-2008 11:46 AM
Reply to: Message 173 by Rrhain
06-21-2008 3:10 AM


EvC ALERT!
Rrhain writes:
Go out right now and find someone of the same sex, get massively turned on, and do what you can to eventually wind up in bed with him. When you finally succeed (we can wait through the dating period for you to earn his trust), come back and give us the details of how you got off and how you'll want to do it again and again and again.
EvC ALERT: Watch out for queer evangelism and cover your butt holes! The Riders Of The Pink Penis want to buzz up your Hershey Highway!
At any rate, how does one determine "race"? It isn't like there is a gene that makes you white and if you have it, you're white and if you don't, you're not. Are we about to go to the "one drop" method of determination? Why does having a "black" grandfather make you "black" but having a "white" grandmother doesn't make you "white"?
Race is not a heritable characteristic. It's simply an arbitrary collection of external morphology.
Serious question: How does one determine "race"?
Way OT. But I might ask: Why do white people rarely get sickle-cell anemia? Very rarely. Racial traits are conferred genetically. I don't know what confers homosexual traits. Do you know?
The Constitution says nothing about driver's licenses, and yet the State seems to think it has the right to require you to have one. I suppose that makes the driver's license unconstitutional, right?
I think Ben Franklin drove a Ford, and he was opposed to driver's licenses because they would have to be issued by King George III.
When Loving v. Virginia was decided, more than 70% of the population felt that interracial marriage should not be allowed. And yet, the SCOTUS unanimously decided that it should.
Rrhain, would you be kind enough to explain how interracial marriage has anything whatsoever to do with "gay marriage"? Your fallacious comparison shows that you are oblivious to the fact that we know what causes race and we know it is not a reversible sort of thing, but we don't know what causes homosexuality, even though we know it is reversible. And you keep making references to racial issue addressed by the courts:
quote:
Have you forgotten Brown v. Board of Education already?
as if they had something to do with homosexual issues. You fail to see how such a comparison is bogus. Black people would kindly ask you not to make such an insulting comparison again.
What are we? Twelve?
Well, we ain't rocket scientists, that's for sure!
”HM

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Fosdick 
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Message 194 of 519 (472345)
06-21-2008 9:04 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Rrhain
06-21-2008 7:20 PM


Rrhain, you're a piece o' work!
Rrhain writes:
Race is nothing more than a social construction to describe local populations..."Race" is not a genetic characteristic. It's an arbitrary social construct.
Rrhain, do we need a different word then? "Race" seems adequate to me for describing genetically conferred traits that fit in your "social construction to describe local populations."
I'm pretty sure that most of the racial traits that set Magic Johnson apart from Larry Bird can be easily seen by anyone. If fact, they agreed on TV that the NBA needs more white players like Bird. Johnson even said the NBA had become too black. There's your social construction for you. Many a white boy wished he had few more black genes in him to be more like Michael Jordan. If you don't see a race-gene connection then I can't do much to help you out.
But I can suggest that you refrain from comparing the historical struggle of blacks to gain their cilvil rights with the non-historical struggle of gays to get "married." That's like comparing a canon ball to a dandelion puff.
”HM
btw: Rrhain, do you expect me to answer all those post of yours? How do you get any rocket science done when you're goin' nuts with the fingertips?
Edited by Hoot Mon, : tweakies

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Fosdick 
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Message 196 of 519 (472351)
06-21-2008 9:34 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Rrhain
06-21-2008 9:29 PM


Blather
Just one example of your blather:
Rrhain writes:
Gays don't have the right not to be tortured because they are gay, but torturing someone because of race is called "lynching" and is illegal.
Yeesh!
”HM

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Fosdick 
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Message 197 of 519 (472357)
06-21-2008 10:05 PM
Reply to: Message 195 by Rrhain
06-21-2008 9:29 PM


One of us is blind, and it ain't me
Rrhain writes:
If your argument is that strong, if you have done your homework, if you have the evidence required to justify your assertions, then it should be no trouble at all for you to respond to each point I've made.
But you won't look at the evidence. You can't see the evidence. YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE EVIDENCE! Perhaps the key question here is WHY you can't handle the evidence. It suggests to me that you have a strong bias against the traditional majority. You want not only to steal the apples but also to upset the cart. And yet you want the traditional majority to say it's OK for you to "marry" your sweetheart, Ralph.
Aside from your bogus comparison between your sad condition and that of blacks, you don't have any meat your sandwich. It's just opinionated fluff. And you need to understand, for the sake of your own gay movement, that "marriage" is reserved for a civil union between a man and woman. Go get your own term for your same-sex civil union, but stay out of the matrimonial business of heterosexuals.
Why is that too much to ask, if you get to have your civil unions and all the legal protection?
”HM

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Fosdick 
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Message 201 of 519 (472366)
06-21-2008 11:03 PM
Reply to: Message 198 by Rrhain
06-21-2008 10:13 PM


Shocked genitals
Rrhain writes:
You can take your gay child and have him sent off to have electrodes attached to his genitals, shown porn, and given electric shocks in an attempt to "cure" him. If we were to do it to anybody else, we would call it "torture" but since we're doing it to gays, it's called "reparative therapy."
One thing I'm pretty sure of is that if you sent a black man off to have electrodes attached to his genitals, shown porn, and given electric shocks in an attempt to "cure" him, he isn't going to turn white.
Later on everything else.
”HM

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Fosdick 
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Message 212 of 519 (472425)
06-22-2008 10:59 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Rrhain
06-22-2008 5:05 AM


Road trip?
Rrhain writes:
One theory advanced is that heterosexuals have an imbalance in their sex hormones, instead of the normal mixture of the two, they have an excess of one or a dearth of the other, resulting in an inability to enjoy full and satisfying relationships with their own sex.
Damn it! I knew it all along. There was always something about my hormonal imbalance that made me want to love women. And it was my desire to love women that has gotten me into so much trouble, If I had know about this early on I would done something to fix it. Maybe drink a lot more cumquat cocktails or eat more Moon Pies or something else to even things out. Damn my hormones, anyway! Every women I ever loved tried to crush my nuts. If I could have found the right man with the right Hershey Highway I could have spared myself all that misery.
Rrhain, what are you doing after the forums tonight? Are you up for a late-night road trip?
”HM

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Message 213 of 519 (472427)
06-22-2008 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 199 by Rrhain
06-21-2008 10:38 PM


Closeted and uncloseted opinions
Rrhain writes:
Despite repeated requests to provide specifics, you haven't given a single example of how anybody would be affected by same-sex marriage.
If I asked John and Mary out in St. Louis why "same-sex marriage" would negatively affect their lives and they told me: "Because there is no such thing as 'same-sex marriage,' just as there is no such thing as 'toothless dentistry'," then why should I tell them they are wrong? And if I asked Chuck and Larry out in Seattle why "same-sex marriage" would positively affect their lives and they told me: "Because black people get to be married, too, and they also have a history abuse," the why should I tell them they are wrong?
The only thing that differentiates John and Mary's opinion on this matter from Chuck and Larry's opinion is OPINION. We are a country of opinions”personal opinions, political opinions, court opinions ” so why is a 5% popular opinion more important that than a 95% popular opinion?
"Gay marriage" opens a lot of doors: polygamy, pedophilia, incest, bestiality, post-mortem matrimony. The closets are full of this kind stuff. Remember Fibber McGee's?
”HM

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Message 214 of 519 (472428)
06-22-2008 11:48 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by Jaderis
06-22-2008 2:53 AM


Re: Should the law marry dead people, too?
Jaderis writes:
As far as you know, was any marriage supposed to be sanctioned by the state?
No, not as far as I know. The First Amendment separates church from state. Marriage is not the rightful business of the state. That's why I have proposed limiting the state's officiating powers to civil unions. After that is accomplished then marriages of any kind become totally a non-state sanctified issue. I can live with. Why can't you?
”HM

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Message 215 of 519 (472430)
06-22-2008 11:59 AM
Reply to: Message 211 by Rrhain
06-22-2008 5:05 AM


Rrhain writes:
Tell us, NJ: Exactly what caused your heterosexuality?
Nem Jug can't speak for himself right now, cuz he's in the slammer. But I could hazard a biological guess as to the cause of his heterosexuality. It's the same cause that gave him testicles. Case closed. But if I asked a man with testicles what caused his homosexuality and he said Mother Nature, I'd have to tell him to go right back to Mother Nature and turn in his testicles.
The real question ” the only question ” is about the cause of homosexuality (Please see On the causes of sexual orientation.)
”HM

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Message 216 of 519 (472436)
06-22-2008 12:54 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Taz
06-21-2008 11:03 PM


Re: Blather
Taz writes:
Hoot, I know some people that were sent to these camps and had to go through some of the procedures that Rrhain mentioned. Very unpleasant experiences.
I also understand that a root canal is an unpleasant experience. But if it brings relief then it's worth it.
”HM

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Message 217 of 519 (472438)
06-22-2008 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by bluescat48
06-21-2008 11:26 PM


Re: One of us is blind, and it ain't me
bluescat writes:
What evidence. You have supplied none. How does gay marriage affect the marriage of John & Jane?
I've said all along that you'll have to go ask John & Jane. All I know is that a whole lot John & Janes oppose gay marriage, and they believe they're just as right as anybody else.
How does gay marriage affect social security?
Case #1: John, who is 80 and dying, wants to give his friend Jane, who is healthy but poor, his SS benefits when he passes away. So they get married just in time to make that happen.
Case #2: Chuck, who is 80 and dying, wants to give to his friend Larry, who is healthy but poor, his SS benefits when he passes away. So they get "married" just in time to make that happen, owning to some special law that says "same-sex marriage" should be honored by the SS system.
Conclusion: The SS system will be worse off when Chuck and Larry dip their stinkin' fingers into it.
”HM

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Message 218 of 519 (472441)
06-22-2008 1:20 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Jaderis
06-22-2008 1:36 AM


Re: Shocked genitals
Jaderis writes:
What makes you think that this torture makes gay people become straight?
What is your argument here?
It has already been proven that you can pound gayness out of a gay man but you can't pound blankness out of black man. I think the torture works for gay men, but I don't advocate anything more painful than having to look at Playboy centerfolds. However, you can't possible mean that the torture blacks have endured is somehow equivalent to the torture gays have endured by not being allowed to get "married."
”HM

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Message 220 of 519 (472445)
06-22-2008 1:29 PM
Reply to: Message 206 by Jaderis
06-22-2008 2:17 AM


Re: Don't civil unions do enough for legal purposes?
Jaderis writes:
I don't need nor want to be "cured." I do not have a disease.
If there was a "cure" for homosexuality right now I would "choose" to remain a lesbian.
And I would honor that choice. It's entirely OK with me if you're a lesbian. However, you have just sealed the case for gayness-by-choice. Does it matter that nature made you gay if that's what you'd choose anyway? So it's choice after all. But I'm OK with that. However, it doesn't help your argument that nature made you gay and you didn't have anything to do with it.
”HM

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Message 226 of 519 (472472)
06-22-2008 4:00 PM
Reply to: Message 222 by Rrhain
06-22-2008 2:23 PM


Doggie Rape
Rrhain writes:
Are you saying Loving v. Virginia was wrongly decided? The SCOTUS was wrong to "defy the will of the majority"?
I don't believe the SCOTUS went against the national majority opinion on the matter. Can you prove it did?
Is there a particular reason why when you think of having sex with someone of the same sex, you immediately start having fantasies of raping your dead, infant sons and their dogs?
Not the dogs. I'd never rape a dog.
”HM

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