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Author Topic:   Tautology and Natural Selection
Syamsu 
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Message 3 of 130 (46639)
07-21-2003 5:26 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by JustinC
07-21-2003 1:37 AM


The problem here is that you are confusing preservation with producing more offspring then the other. You have to pick one or the other as the point of the theory. Preservation occurs when organisms reproduce faster then they die, more or less. Producing more then the other, well that's just a comparison, and doesn't have preservation as a logical consequence but relative populationshare. I think with survival of the fittest you are basically suggesting that variants are negative selective factors to each other, that they encroach on and replace one another, Malthusian Darwinism. Fitness is commonly understood in terms of preservation, reproducing faster then dying, but the meaning in standard Natural Selection is a relative propensity for a populationshare. Fitness and heritability of traits that are uniform in a population is then zero, in standard Natural Selection, because there is no variant to compare to when a trait is uniform in the population.
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Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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Syamsu 
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Message 6 of 130 (46671)
07-21-2003 11:06 AM
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07-21-2003 9:08 AM


I'm sorry but there is no unique viewpoint in my post as far as I'm aware.
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Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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Syamsu 
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Message 10 of 130 (46716)
07-21-2003 2:27 PM
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07-21-2003 1:39 PM


Uh you are mistaken, heritability of zero is part of the standard definition of Natural Selection, not my redefinition. I referenced a website about it before with the title something like: why is heritability generally zero. You can also see in the glossary of this site that fitness and heritability is relative to another variant.
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Mohammad Nor Syamsu

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