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Buzsaw
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Message 45 of 77 (463638)
04-18-2008 9:55 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Rahvin
04-15-2008 10:36 PM


Re: Two Emerging Events
Rahven, if and when you ever decide to leave off the personal insult and meanspirited responses, I'll be more apt to debate you.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 46 of 77 (463639)
04-18-2008 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 43 by obvious Child
04-18-2008 4:22 AM


Re: Two Emerging Events
Obvious Child writes:
Seriously? You're arguing that Iraq deserved to be invaded due to payments to suicide bombers? Did you happen to notice that these suicide bombings happened well before Saddam started making payments and kept happing after Saddam was removed? Furthermore, if that is good enough criteria for removing a regime, then we should invade Russia as the terrorism they have been conducting in Chechnya makes Saddam look like a girl scout. They leveled Grozny killing thousands of innocent civilians. Your hypocrisy is showing.
And we had inspectors on the ground.
1. The bottom line is that the war on terror is primarily Jihad driven and Iraq was funding the terrorists.
2. Inspectors were banned from strategic areas which were where the inspectors needed to go and where satelite photos indicated suspicious activity.
3. The consensus of many is that by banning inspections in strategic locations time was bought to export and move weapons to friendly havens to avoid detection.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 53 of 77 (464025)
04-22-2008 9:46 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by Blue Jay
04-18-2008 11:08 PM


Re: Determination Of Future Outlook
Bluejay writes:
I hope I won't derail the conversaton so far, but I wanted to take another look at Message #26.
Buzsaw writes:
...as I see his (Mohammad's) prophecy emerging to fulfillment...
Buzsaw writes:
By understanding this as fulfillment of Biblical prophecy .
Buzsaw writes:
It is reassuring to know that in the end the eternal plan, purpose and kingdom of the Biblical god, Jehovah and his christ/messiah Jesus will prevail. Is this blind faith? No. Why? Because of the evidence we observe that the prophecies are on tract and being fulfilled...
What I think you’ve been getting at is that, either (1) the Muslims are right and they’re going to take over the world, or (2) the Christians are right and the Muslims are the evil church prophesied about in Revelation? But, you believe your observation that the Muslim prophecy apparently coming true is sure evidence of the prophecies in the Bible? How do you know it’s not just the Muslim prophecy being fulfilled? How is this not blind faith?
The Biblical prophecy relative to the invasion including the (now Muslim) nations of the whole region around Israel came centuries before Mohammed and cited the nations which were not Muslim at the time the prophecy was written.
What the Biblical prophecies written by several of the Biblical prophets of several centuries stated is that the very nations that threaten Israel today would be the nations which would be at perpetual war with Israel to be consummated at Har-Megeddon when the massive invasion ensues.
The Islamic block of nations will of necessity have to have enough power and influence in the world body to have the power, authority and blessings of the world body (UN) to make this massive move into Israel and particularly Jerusalem which is near the Valley of Jehosaphat where the battle is to rage.
According to the Biblical prophecies this must happen as messiah Jesus prepares to descend from heaven to wipe out the invading nations, effecting civil war between the invading combatants and himself with his heavenly army obliterating the hoards of invaders to the extent that the hills are covered with dead bodies and war debris.
This is when the mother of earthquakes levels the earth substantially leveling the cities and mountains and cleaving the Mount of Olives in half, half splitting off to the North and the other half to the South. I've heard that an major East/West fault exists under that mountain but cannot verify that.
This event can be read in the 14th chapter of Zechariah and I believe in the 2nd or 3rd chapter of Joel. The earthquake is covered in Zechariah 14 and in the NT in the book of Revelation chapter 16 at about the last verse of that chapter.
The Biblical prophecy reflects Mohammed's prophecy/Islamic goal of world conquest. As I said the Biblical account is the most verifiable since it came first and since it is corroborated by several prophets over a long period of time beginning all the way back to Abraham and ending in Revelation about 90 AD ALL OF WHICH PREDATES MOHAMMED BY MANY CENTURIES!
Bluejay writes:
You still can’t rule out the possibility that this whole drama was prophesied by a third religion in a text that has been lost due to apostasy (which the true God of that religion has not yet seen fit to restore), and that this whole conflict is actually a testament to the truthfulness of that religion. And, if various interpretations of an event see it as fulfilling various prophecies, how can you be sure that your interpretation is right? How can you be sure that any of them is right?
Imo your wild notion of a possible third lost religous prophecy is nonsense.
I'm not really interpreting. All I've been doing for the past 60 years since Israel became a nation as prophecied is reading he prophecies and watching them fulfill in the past 6 decades of daily news, much of which has focused on the nation of the prophecies in the Middle East. The prophets had no idea that the need for oil and such would cause the nations to be so focused on the Middle East. They had little use for the oil back then except for lamps amd likely most of that was vegetable based oil.
Remember, when two viewpoints clash, the only conclusion you can safely come to is that at least one of them is wrong: but there is no rule that says somebody has to be right.
But the interesting thing here is that what the white hat prophets prophesied coincides with that of the lone black hat prophet's ambitions of world conquest and particularly targeting Jerusalem which btw Mohammed had no interest in when he prophesied Islam had no interest in Jerusalem until Israel began regathering and setting up a nation of cities from scrub land when the nomads relinquished it, much of which was sold to Jews.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 56 of 77 (464117)
04-23-2008 1:40 PM
Reply to: Message 55 by Blue Jay
04-23-2008 12:41 AM


Re: Determination Of Future Outlook
Bluejay, your book the BOM is also, like Mohammed's Quran a Johhycomelately with Biblical stuff interlaced to lend them some measure of merit. If your alleged prophecies have something to contribute to this topic, I'm/we're all ears. LOL! I'm fairly well aquainted with what's in both books, having them in my library and having read much in and about them.

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Buzsaw
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Message 60 of 77 (464243)
04-24-2008 9:27 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Rrhain
04-24-2008 1:44 AM


Re: Determination Of Future Outlook
Rrhain, Unless you can cite something Babylonian or anything else relative to the topic, you have nothing/zilch/nada compared to all I've cited from the Biblical record to support my OP.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 62 of 77 (464541)
04-26-2008 11:26 PM
Reply to: Message 61 by Rrhain
04-24-2008 11:15 PM


Re: Determination Of Future Outlook
Rrhain writes:
The story of Noah is a direct rip-off of the story of Ut-Napishtim from the Epic of Gilgamesh.
LOL.
1. The oldest tablets of Gilgamesh postdate Noah's flood by around a half a millennium (2000 BC) There's other more distorted versions of the flood story in many cultures. Imo, these are all supportive to the older Biblical account of Noah's flood.
That the Gilgamesh account is less distorted than many other pagan accounts, reflects the likelihood that it was the oldest distorted pagan account known to exist.
2. What the Biblical account has lending to it's credibility as the genuine original that Gigamesh does not have is a treasure trove of corroborative data supportive to the Biblical record, much of which I and others have cited in the archived threads.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 63 of 77 (464542)
04-26-2008 11:32 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by obvious Child
04-23-2008 5:24 PM


Re: Determination Of Future Outlook
OC writes:
Buzsaw, can you move weapons you do not have the capacity to make, store or use?
Evidently many in government on both sides of the isle figured they had the capacity to make lethal weapons. Poison gas was used by Saddam to massacre the Iraqis up North who were problematic to him.
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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 68 of 77 (464690)
04-28-2008 9:17 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by killinghurts
04-27-2008 7:52 PM


Killinghurts writes:
The "war on terror" will end when the Democrats win office in the U.S. You can quote me on that.ll
Hi and welcome to EvC. Raw assertions are not well taken at EvC. Please elaborate on how this party will end the war on terror. Thanks

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 70 of 77 (465301)
05-04-2008 10:44 PM
Reply to: Message 66 by Rrhain
04-27-2008 7:19 PM


Re: Determination Of Future Outlook
Rrhain writes:
Question: Who gave him the gas? Hint: A Republican was President.
Rrhain, please document that the US ever sent any poisonous gas or chemical weapons to Iraq.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 72 of 77 (465484)
05-07-2008 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Rrhain
05-06-2008 7:57 AM


Re: Determination Of Future Outlook
Rrhain, you made the claim. I asked for documentation. You delivered. No need to demean my intelligence for wanting to know.
Btw, if they got all these lethal weapons, where were they when we went in? Did they use them all up for agricultural purposes, ship them over the border or what?

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Buzsaw
Inactive Member


Message 74 of 77 (465507)
05-07-2008 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 73 by Rahvin
05-07-2008 1:58 PM


Re: Determination Of Future Outlook
Rahven writes:
The rest were likely disassembled as Iraq complied with weapons inspectors after the first Gulf War. Saddam didn't deny them entry for the whole time, just enough to make a nuisance of himself and try to provoke a response.
........And to convince both sides of the isle in the US and the world body that they were still there ready for use in Jihad. Thus the invasion.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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