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obvious Child
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Message 42 of 77 (463548)
04-18-2008 4:19 AM
Reply to: Message 22 by Rahvin
04-12-2008 3:58 PM


Re: Two Emerging Events
Whoa there buddy.
The Sunnis and Shia lived together in Iraq for decades without fighting. Sunni and Shia live across the Middle East in peace. Intersect marriages are common.
The reason that we are seeing such serious sectarian fighting in Iraq is because of who has control of the government. Who controls the government controls the oil. Who controls the oil controls Iraq. The fight really has nothing to do with the minute differences between Shia and Sunni. It has everything to do with secular economics.

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Message 43 of 77 (463549)
04-18-2008 4:22 AM
Reply to: Message 38 by Buzsaw
04-15-2008 9:39 PM


Re: Two Emerging Events
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2. Whether or not Iraq was invaded Iraq contributed to global terrorism by funding and supporting Jihad against Israel as funds were given to suicide bombers by the Iraqi government. They also refused to allow inspection by the world body to whom they said they would allow in.
Seriously? You're arguing that Iraq deserved to be invaded due to payments to suicide bombers? Did you happen to notice that these suicide bombings happened well before Saddam started making payments and kept happing after Saddam was removed? Furthermore, if that is good enough criteria for removing a regime, then we should invade Russia as the terrorism they have been conducting in Chechnya makes Saddam look like a girl scout. They leveled Grozny killing thousands of innocent civilians. Your hypocrisy is showing.
And we had inspectors on the ground.

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Message 51 of 77 (463920)
04-22-2008 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by molbiogirl
04-18-2008 8:20 PM


Re: Two Emerging Events
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But Buz isn't going to buy the whole "Ruskies are terrorists" thing.
Of course not. If governments are suppressing Islamic insurgents (who are terrorists in my book), they aren't conducting terrorism, screwed up isn't it? What bothers me is that so many people don't understand that terrorism is a method. Not a belief or motive. You don't need to believe in anything to be a terrorist.

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Message 52 of 77 (463923)
04-22-2008 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Buzsaw
04-18-2008 10:11 PM


Re: Two Emerging Events
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1. The bottom line is that the war on terror is primarily Jihad driven and Iraq was funding the terrorists.
That war on terror. But you failed to deal with your criteria problem. You justified invading Iraq based on criteria that we could apply to other nations and even to the history of the US. If we are to accept your criteria, what would exist to make us stop at Islamic terrorism and not Russian State backed terrorism?
And Iraq was barely funding the terrorists. As I noted, the payments didn't cause the attacks to start and when the payments stopped, the attacks kept going. Hardly good justification to invade when the donations coming out of Saudi Arabia are massive compared to the occasional $60,000 payment. If you want to stop the funding, you need to change the whole money wire system that has existed in Islam for hundreds of years.
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2. Inspectors were banned from strategic areas which were where the inspectors needed to go and where satellite photos indicated suspicious activity.
Perhaps so, but we didn't find anything after. Furthermore, the satellites did not detect know gases. We have satellites that can pick up parts per billion of specific gases we know are byproducts of certain weapons productions. None of that was found. You're telling me that the Iraqis, after decades of sanctions found ways to conceal production in ways that the US and USSR couldn't at the peak of their military power?
Seriously.
Try again.
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3. The consensus of many is that by banning inspections in strategic locations time was bought to export and move weapons to friendly havens to avoid detection.
No it wasn't. There was no such consensus. Furthermore, we have completely failed to find any paper trail, any worker, any trucks that moved any such alleged weapons. On top of your arguments, we have failed to find production and storage facilities. How the heck did Saddam make weapons without the means to produce, store, transfer and use? Why is that we haven't found Iraqi soldiers trained to use chemical weapons? Hell, the last chemical weapon we found was from the Iraq-Iran war and it wasn't even viable. As for the intel 'consensus' the Chezks and Germans flagged Curveball. Even the CIA stated he was a "drunken liar." And Chalabi DELIBERATELY fed us lies. There is a reason we have a indictment for his arrest RIGHT now.

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Message 57 of 77 (464145)
04-23-2008 5:24 PM
Reply to: Message 56 by Buzsaw
04-23-2008 1:40 PM


Re: Determination Of Future Outlook
Buzsaw, can you move weapons you do not have the capacity to make, store or use?

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Message 64 of 77 (464651)
04-27-2008 7:11 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Buzsaw
04-26-2008 11:32 PM


Re: Determination Of Future Outlook
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Evidently many in government on both sides of the isle figured they had the capacity to make lethal weapons. Poison gas was used by Saddam to massacre the Iraqis up North who were problematic to him.
And I can make a wide variety of lethal weapons from the commercial cleaning agents under my sink. Does that mean I have? Does that mean I'm stockpiling weapons?
That gas was over a decade before the invasion of Iraq.
Your argument is crap. And you know it. hence why you're deliberately avoiding the posts pointing out the flaws.

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Message 69 of 77 (464700)
04-28-2008 12:52 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Buzsaw
04-28-2008 9:17 AM


quote:
Raw assertions are not well taken at EvC.
Yes Buzsaw, they aren't. Care to support your claims of Iraqi WMDs?

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