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Author Topic:   My mind's in a knot... (Re: Who/what created God?)
Straggler
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Message 15 of 156 (463236)
04-13-2008 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 14 by Buzsaw
04-12-2008 11:06 PM


Re: Has The Creator Ever Transcended Space And Time?
All hypotheses and theories have mysterious and unexplainable complex factors relative to them, including the Big Bang Singularity (or whatever you want to call it) and the TOE. This is no exception.
There is a key difference. Religious claims seem to assert that some things are inherently unknowable and untestable and that the questions are therefore unanswerable. Scientific theories instead have elements that are as yet unknown or for which there is currently insufficiant evidence available from which to draw reliable conclusions. These are areas for research and investigation.
The eternal nature of a creator Vs the as yet unknown aspects of BB theory are a case in point.
An inherently untestable hypothesis is not really a 'hypothesis' at all so the two are not equally valid.

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Straggler
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Message 30 of 156 (465912)
05-11-2008 3:46 PM
Reply to: Message 29 by Jenifer
05-10-2008 6:34 PM


Re: Uncaused First Causes
Whether God created time or not - This does not really answer the question of what 'caused' God.
Either things need a cause or they do not. On what grounds do you claim that God is uncaused whilst at the same time concluding that a complex universe must be caused by something else?
The loic is self defeating.
Would not the whole thing be simpler if we take that which we know to exist (i.e. the universe) and accept that this is uncaused? Rather than try and find an ever regressive cause for things that we have no objective reason to believe to exist at all?

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