My mind's in a knot... (Re: Who/what created God?)

Welcome to EvC, RM. I and others have posted quite a lot regarding reasons why we consider the Bible to be a credible record. If you click on my user name you will get my index file. I suggest that if you're seriously interested in answers to your questions you take the time to read up on some of this. If you find in these archives items which you would like to discuss or debate in threads still open you can do so.If you find in closed threads things to discuss you can propose a new topic to discuss them.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Imo, no. I would need documentation from someone to show that to be the case. Imo, the Biblical record clearly implies an eternal universe in which the creator has always had a heavenly abode; a universe which he has been creating, managing and occupying for eternity. Otherwise he could not possibly be the eternal creator, the same yesterday, today, and forever, as one text puts it.The above is assuming that the word/term universe in inclusive of all that exists, including space, time and the supreme creator.All hypotheses and theories have mysterious and unexplainable complex factors relative to them, including the Big Bang Singularity (or whatever you want to call it) and the TOE. This is no exception.Abe: The above reflects my opinion that space has no properties but existing area in which all else exists and that space is unbounded. Edited by Buzsaw, : As noted.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

There are presently as many inherently unknowables and untestables relative to the BB as there are relative to a realm of higher intelligence.Many messianic related prophecies have been fulfilled. After these are consumated and the messianic kingdom becomes a reality the Biblical ID hypothesis will be confirmed in Jerusalem. This is why the forces of anti-christ/messiah, are so intent on occupying Jerusalem for their god Allah.According to the track record of the Biblical prophetic scriptures our unknowns are, imo, a great deal more likely to become known than are yours. There's just no way science will know anything about before the BB which they claim does/did not exist. The Ot prophets foretell a time when Jehovah will be known by all nations which will make pilgrimages to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem to honor him.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Phat. I was just thinking; you and I have been dialoging for a long time now. I believe it was either the Newsmax or NOPC forums which we first dialoged. Anyhow, relative to topic: IMO it is a scientific given, according to the 1LOT, that something had to have been eternal, either cold calculatable uncreated energy or an omnipotent supreme potentate in whom all things exist and from whom all things came. Edited by Buzsaw, : remove a letter in NOPC

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Taz. I looked up the texts for this which are I Corinthians 8:6 and Hebrews 2:10.I was going by memory and got the wording wrong. The text wording has it as existing of the Father (Jehovah, god) and through Jesus the son of God. This is from the ASE version which I believe to be the most literal of the translations.Imo the Biblical position is that God exists in a physical environ within his own universe. In past threads I've cited texts which state that God exists in the heavens (somewhere in a certain place out in the cosmos) among angels, celestial thrones, expensive lavish golden streets, gates of pearl, a sapphire throne, etc, etc.

1. The laws of physics are satisfied in that all energy coming from and existing in God as per the Bible. So as per 1LoT, no energy is created or destroyed.Imo, conventional science has more of a physics problem than an eternal omnipotent God relative to 1LoT.2. God and his entourage exists within the universe, i.e. our realm, the cosmos/heavens according to the Biblical record.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Genesis 1:1 is not clear on this. It simply states that when the heavens were created God did it. It does not say that he created the universe. He exists in the universe and by definition he is part and parcel of the universe in which he exists. It does not designate any specific heavens.The Bible says he, God, has always been and unchangeable. It states that his abode is in the heavens. His nature is to create and he's eternally been creating, changing and destroying things in the universe. Something has to be eternal. The mystery is that there was no first thing if he has been always creating.The phrases relative ot Jesus, "from whom all things came" and "in whom all things exist" is a mysterious statement. Jesus came from God's Holy Spirit which/who is the agent of creation. Thus the above phrases. The implication in all of this is that in a sense all things and God are in some sense co existent

The Lord's Prayer: "Our Father who are in heaven....."Job 1 informs us that the sons of God came to present themselves before God and Satan was with them. They all exist in the heavens.Genesis 22:11 God called Abraham from heaven.I Kings 22:19 " I saw Jehovah sitting on his throne and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left."These are a few. There are others which are equally significant.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. The term/word, universe, includes all that exists, i.e. everything; space, God and all.2. The texts have creatures coming and going from the presence of God, so God and the creatures are all in the cosmos of the universe.In answer to your question regarding who created the Universe, nobody created it. God, existing within the universe and God being eternal renders the universe eternal, including all existing energy in that all energy exists via God. The same goes for all matter. This all accommodates both the science 1LoT law and the Biblical record.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.