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Author Topic:   My mind's in a knot... (Re: Who/what created God?)
Chiroptera
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Message 6 of 156 (462640)
04-06-2008 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Reality Man
04-05-2008 9:41 PM


It appears that we have two possibilities. At least there are only two that I can think of.
Either everything has a "cause", in which case we have an infinite sequence of prior "causes".
Or there must be one thing that exits (or existed at one point) that has no cause.
Personally, I go with the second. That's because all we really know exists (or ever existed) is the universe in which we live; we have no real good evidence that there ever was anything else that can serve as a "prior cause" for the universe.
Added by edit:
To bring this into line with the OP, I will add that the Christian does go one step further. She will, presumably, assume that her god created the universe, and that this god itself requires no creator.
Now, logically, it's no more nonsensical than assuming that the material universe in which we live requires no creator; no is it, in my opinion, no more nonsensical that there is a certain number (perhaps infinite) of prior creators. I don't buy the notion of a transcendent First Creator mostly because I see no evidence that one exists.
On the other hand, I do agree that the notion that God is transcendent and created time and space ex nihilo is extra-Biblical.
Edited by Chiroptera, : No reason given.

There is a tragic flaw in our precious Constitution, and I don't know what can be done to fix it. This is it: Only nut cases want to be president. -- Kurt Vonnegut

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Chiroptera
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Message 13 of 156 (462701)
04-07-2008 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by ICANT
04-07-2008 9:48 AM


Re: Re-Nature
How old is nature?
That's not the question. The question is: Why do some people believe that the universe must have been created, but the creator was not created?
There is another question: is this idea (of the creator being uncreated and transcending space and time) in the Bible?

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