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obvious Child
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Message 14 of 28 (461963)
03-28-2008 9:13 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by Buzsaw
03-28-2008 8:12 PM


Re: The all or nothing Bible?
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If one is left to pick and choose according to one's personal whims, desires and ideology then it looses all authority and credibility. What author of a text book or history record would expect such application to one's work?
What makes you think that Christians, no, theists don't do this now? Interpretation alone is picking and choosing what one wants to deem relevant, factual, and useful.
Besides, even if Genesis is total crap, it doesn't make the moral lessons useless.

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obvious Child
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Message 19 of 28 (461986)
03-29-2008 4:37 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Buzsaw
03-28-2008 10:30 PM


Re: The all or nothing Bible?
Every theists picks and chooses. It's called interpretation. How do we KNOW that all of the holy text is meant to be literal? How do we KNOW that some of the text is meant to be metaphorical? How do we know?
Simple answer: We don't. Every theists makes a choice about what they want to take literally and figuratively.
You seem to be arguing that without accepting a holy book entirely, that the books are therefore without use. I disagree with that.

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Message 24 of 28 (462060)
03-29-2008 11:38 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Buzsaw
03-29-2008 7:21 PM


Re: The all or nothing Bible?
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. I say partly because I, as well as some others I know, make a concerted effort not to interpret when possible not to do so or when the text, context or corroborating scriptural text is reasonably clear.
I find it amusing you can't even see that you are doing. What you deem to be reasonably clear is because your interpretation of the meanings results in your opinion on it being clear. Again, your and others' interpretation is always at work. How do you know that what APPEARS to be reasonably clear is actually a metaphor for something different?
Simple answer: you don't.
As much as you don't want to admit it, you are doing the exact same thing at all times for your religion that you seem to be criticizing others for.
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2. I've already addressed the way to know whether text is metaphor or literal.
See above for why you need to rethink that.
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3. True, every reader chooses how much to apply literally and metaphorically. Imo the more one chooses metaphor the less knowledgeable on will be regarding the book.
And others would lean the opposite. Again, interpretation at work.
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If the pilot of your next flight might be one who tends to be liberal in which fundamentals of piloting to implement you might not be as likely to reach your destination as you would with a literalist and fundamentalist pilot.
Unless what you are studying was meant to be metaphorical.
Again, you fail to even acknowledge your own interpretation when you attack others.
My point is, no one can be absolutely sure what parts are meant to be literal, what parts figurative, if any of it is actually factually true and if their interpretations are correct. Therefore, someone who realizes the limitation of their own knowledge, aka, aware of their own ignorance, should not be criticizing others for their interpretations.

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