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Author Topic:   Meaning of "Us" in Genesis.
Recon3rd
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Message 94 of 194 (461557)
03-26-2008 8:03 AM


3 in 1
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. (Gen 1:26-27)
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.(Gen 2:7)
In Gen 1 it sounds like God is speaking to someone when He is actually speaking to Himself, Himself being a three part being. Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Then in Gen 2 it shows how He made us like Himself a 3 in 1 being. 1st we were formed from the earth giving us a body = #1 then He breathed the breath of life into him giving him the spirit of life = #2 and then once we became alive we became a living soul = #3
Remove the life giving spirit and the body dies but the spirit and soul still live.

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Recon3rd
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Message 97 of 194 (461706)
03-27-2008 8:22 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by New Cat's Eye
03-26-2008 9:59 AM


Re: 3 in 1
Remove the life giving spirit and the body dies but the spirit and soul still live.
What do you mean remove the life giving spirit? And how do you still have it (still live) if you've removed it?
Also, the soul is the combination of the body and the spirit. When the body dies, the spirit lives on but the spirit/body is no longer a living soul.
I mean when our spirit has been released from it's home, our body, it's dead (the body) as in ceasing to exist as a life form. The soul is what makes you who you are not what you are and is influenced by our body/flesh as well as our spirit. The spirit is what we are. So when a body dies it's dead not the life giving spirit and its soul.
peace

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Recon3rd
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Message 99 of 194 (461843)
03-28-2008 8:14 AM
Reply to: Message 98 by New Cat's Eye
03-27-2008 5:05 PM


Re: 3 in 1
Catholic Scientist writes:
Of course this is all speculation, but:
I mean when our spirit has been released from it's home, our body, it's dead (the body) as in ceasing to exist as a life form.
This seems bass-ackwards to me. The body doesn't die because the spirit is released. The spirit is released because the body has died.
Look at what I wrote again and you'll see I said; when our spirit has been released when do I say it's released? When the body dies.
The soul is what makes you who you are not what you are and is influenced by our body/flesh as well as our spirit.
Who you are is a body with a spirit. When the body dies and you are just spirit, then you are no longer who you were. If the soul continues to be, then it must at least change.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Gen 2:7)
For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Heb 4:12)
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. ( 1 Thess 5:23)
The spirit is WHAT we are.
But your a body too. I think the soul is what you are, which is a body and spirit.
For WE know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, WE have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For in this WE groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3If so be that being clothed WE shall not be found naked. 4For WE that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. 6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord 7(For we walk by faith, not by sight 8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. (2 Cor 5:1-7)
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Gen 2:7)
God formed man from the earth, after He created a body He then breathed the breath of life into him. (the breath of life is a term used to describe the spirit.)
We are not a body, we live in a body. We ARE spirits and we LIVE in this body, when the two are combined they create a soul which is WHO we are.
So when a body dies it's dead not the life giving spirit and its soul.
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: 23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? (Rom 7:22-23)
Yes. God breathed the breath of life or spirit into the body He made, that gave life to the body in the form of a soul.
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also. (James 2:26)
So, yes when a body dies it is dead but the spirit that that made man a living soul lives along with it's soul.
So then the soul is different after the body dies?
The soul is WHO we are so it remains itself, after the body dies it no longer has any influence over our soul.
peace

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Recon3rd
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Message 101 of 194 (461994)
03-29-2008 8:03 AM
Reply to: Message 100 by New Cat's Eye
03-28-2008 5:19 PM


Re: Souls changing
Recon3rd writes:
We are not a body, we live in a body. We ARE spirits and we LIVE in this body, when the two are combined they create a soul which is WHO we are.
Catholic Scientist writes:
So then would the "WHO you are" change when you go from being a body with a spirit to just a spirit?
If the soul is created when the body and spirit are combined, how could seperating the spirit from the body not change the soul?
It does to the extent that the body no longer has an influence over it. The soul of the spirit man now walks according to his spirit.
Recon3rd writes:
The soul is WHO we are so it remains itself, after the body dies it (body) no longer has any influence over our soul.
Catholic Scientist writes:
So then the soul is different?
Do you believe we were created in Gods image? If you do then you should understand that when the breath of life or the spirit is given to a body it creates a soul. The soul is what makes us who we are, all the qualities you posses comes from your soul, it's your personality it's what distinguishes you from your neighbor. The death of the body doesn't destroy what the spirit created, our soul defines who we are as men.
When someone dies people will say things like, he was a good man he always helped whom ever he could, he was a good husband and good father and so on. They aren't talking about his body but his soul. Our soul, which is influenced by our body and our spirit makes the determination of whats right and wrong. You don't miss the body you miss the person who lived in it, the soul of the man.

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Recon3rd
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Message 103 of 194 (462071)
03-30-2008 7:45 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by New Cat's Eye
03-29-2008 12:43 PM


Re: Souls changing
Recon3rd writes:
Do you believe we were created in Gods image?
Catholic Scientist writes:
I suppose. But I'm not really sure what that means, 'image'. Image suggests something visual. Do you think god has eyeballs?
Image also suggests, form, appearance and semblance. Since God is a Spirit; God is a Spirit (John 4:24) the image must be in His make up. Three beings in one as are we. Do I think God has eye balls? Well God the son, Jesus did, does God the Father and God the Holy Spirit have eye balls? Maybe eyes but balls I don't know.
Recon3rd writes:
The soul is what makes us who we are, all the qualities you posses comes from your soul, it's your personality it's what distinguishes you from your neighbor. The death of the body doesn't destroy what the spirit created, our soul defines who we are as men.
Catholic Scientist writes:
To me, it seems like my body has a big effect on my soul.
The body does effect the soul and since the body is just a body of sin and death, the spirit also effects the soul and it lets the soul know when it's listening to our flesh and not to God. So our body and spirit both effect our souls.
Recon3rd writes:
When someone dies people will say things like, he was a good man he always helped whom ever he could, he was a good husband and good father and so on. They aren't talking about his body but his soul.
Catholic Scientist writes:
I'm not so sure about that.
What if they had described him as a really horny man... Being horny comes from your body, not your spirit. THe soul of the horny man with no body would no longer be horny anymore.
Exactly. When our born of God spirit is released from it's home, our soul is no longer influenced by our flesh.
Recon3rd writes:
Our soul, which is influenced by our body and our spirit makes the determination of whats right and wrong. You don't miss the body you miss the person who lived in it, the soul of the man.
Catholic Scientist writes:
When a hot chick drops her pants and bends over in front of me, its not my soul that effects my behavior.
When somebody starts a fight, its not my soul that effects my behavior.
THe soul is the combination of the body and spirit, so when the body is no longer, the soul has to at least change. It has lost the influence of the body.
Genesis says that man became a living soul when the spirit joined the body. When the body is lost, man is no longer a living soul. But is it that man is no longer a soul anymore, or just not a living one?
The Bible seems unclear on that.
When that hot chick drops em and you're drooling, it is your soul that effects your behavior because you have a choice to either listen to your flesh or your spirit. When someone starts a fight it's the soul who decides if it should react to the fight or ignore it.
The soul is stuck in between the flesh and the spirit, so when the flesh is dead and we (spirit) are released from the body of death that body we lived in no longer has any influence over us. We are free.
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. (Gen 2:7)
After God made mans body He brought Him to life by breathing the "breath of life" or a spirit into him. It's at that point the man becomes a living soul and not a robot. When the body dies the soul doesn't. When a woman gives birth and she dies does the baby die also? The woman (body) gave life to the baby, if the woman (body) dies does the baby (soul) die? Of course not.

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