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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
This is not a thread to criticize moderation or to suggest that people leave this forum.
This comment from obvious Child on Advice I've seen that before. I've even seen a forum where the creationist admin banned a bunch of people because they were making bantha hash out of his creationist members and his member were resorting to personal insults. Sad isn't it? One of the reasons I like this site is because it is moderated to that trolls\spam\etc behavior is minimized. I find the moderation here is not biased in the way I have seen on other sites, however I understand that it is not always easy to see who is at fault when things get out of hand if you are not involved in the thread. I've seen references to other sites and the differences in moderation. What I propose is a listing of other sites that people have been at, with an evaluation of their benefits and liabilities. Other ones I have posted on are: (1) AOL Message Board Creation vs. Evolution - a branch of a message board, originally run by netscape before it was acquired by AOL. The board is not moderated at all, leaving anarchy in control.
(2) Herb Allure Creation and Evolution - a side branch of a forum dedicated to (selling and) discussing the benefits of herbal cures, with a heavy creationist bias, with the owner being an Old Earth Creationists (OEC), but several YEC's posting. Not heavily moderated, certainly the creationists are not moderated for using abusive language.
Neither of these come up to the level of expertize or depth of knowledge on various topics that I find here at EvC. So what other boards have people here been to and what are they like? Enjoy. Edited by RAZD, : grammar by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
So what other boards have people here been to and what are they like? Here are the ones that I frequent.
No Answers in Genesis Unmoderated (except that spam is removed). Trolls galore. But every once in a while, a decent conversation breaks out. We have just had a couple of good threads on the Second Law of Thermodynamics -- and I think that I did pretty well on those threads (I don't post as "Chiroptera" there). The board will only hold so many messages at one time; once the quota has been reached, the oldest thread will "drop off" and disappear forever, so if anyone likes a particular post they need to save a copy of it. Also, there is very little formatting available unless the poster knows some HTML. -
Theology Web has a forum dedicated to discussions of natural science. Actually, Theology Web is a pretty large internet message board with forums dedicated to all aspects of Christianity. It is moderated by evangelical Christians, and the main ones are creationist or biased toward creationism. Yet that hasn't prevented the natural sciences forum to be dominated by evolutionists. - I'm also a member of Creation Talk and its sister board Darwin Talk, 4forums, and Internet Infidels, but I rarely check into those particular forums. EvC, NAiG, and T-Web are my main ones. (I also don't go by Chiroptera on any of those.) - I should also say that I have just signed up on jar's Dreamcatcher ((as Chiroptera), but it's too early to see whether Evolution/Creationism will be the dominant subject of discussion.
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tesla Member (Idle past 1624 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
saw the dream catcher. i like it here, and from past experience i am not as effective when i spread my focus out too much.
for instance; how well do you think i would be received? if i feel compelled by the spirit, then i will go also to these forums. but i like this one personally, and me being here may draw others from others sites to debate what i have said concerning T=0 and the truth of it. i played an online Internet game for many years called asheron's call. i found a place in a small "clan" and me and my wife both played it for many years growing in acquaintance and responsibilities. the social structure of a "clan" is almost identical to a forum. you have moderators and admins with different names to support the mmorpg spirit, and then you have the populace, who expect those in the positions of "power" to help them have fun, meet their goals, and fix any issues with any other members or players in the game. it was a pretty large responsibility making the kinds of decisions necessary to maintain the strength and numbers in a guild with lots of other competition. and there was value to each player being in your "clan" or guild, like there are benefits here, like diversity, excitement of new views and prospects. advantages in their hunting prowess or knowledge that could support, or show the folly, of your own knowledge or abilities. the larger the guild, the more others are attracted. because most feel, if that many are staying, something is good about it. and the larger he guild, the more "power" the admins or "monarch (establisher of the guild) would have in the minds of players within the game. same principle again for this site. there will be those that will feel moderation too harsh, and leave, yet others would feel to lax, and leave, but if there is consistency, and people know what to expect, they learn, and remain. if they can accept the established rules and principles. the reason i don't want to frequent any other debate forums is because I'm starting to understand ho the moderation and "rules" work for here. and the people debating are intelligent, forthright, and most times pretty honest about there position and knowledge concerning their positions. I'm curios how you others going to those other debate sites will do as you have done here, and bring up to the attention of debaters that this site is here, and actually cause growth. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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Chiroptera Inactive Member |
I'm curios how you others going to those other debate sites will do as you have done here, and bring up to the attention of debaters that this site is here, and actually cause growth. Me, I've always participated on several debate sites at once. In practice, among all these sites there will only be one, two, maybe three threads at any one time that will interest me enough to participate. If I had a million dollars, I'd buy you a monkey. Haven't you always wanted a monkey? -- The Barenaked Ladies
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Other than CreationTalk, DarwinTalk, and Infidels, which our bat mentioned, I am at Rants'n'Raves, which has a bunch of the Infidels who left after the explosion there. Unmoderated except for spam, and we only have two (very prolific) creationists along with some real professional biologists.
I sometimes drop by Evolution is Dead, but it's been very slow lately. Approximately unmoderated, but it never seems to need much, anyway.
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tesla Member (Idle past 1624 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
rants n raves huh. well i just registered there. Gods will be done.
awaiting activation. site is messy in my opinion and lacking in depth. its large tho and i havent went very far (stupid dial up) the creator holds back non science minded or non college educated by having more difficult to understand headings. not the first time I've observed the method, but will make it more difficult to browse. overview: don't care for it much.deeper view: after i get a feel i would like to explore T=0 with the site. probably then mention this site, then disappear. depends. well see. Gods will be done. Edited by tesla, : elaborated keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2508 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Coragyps writes: and we only have two (very prolific) creationists along with some real professional biologists. If one of the prolific creationists is a guy called guzman, you'd hardly need professional biologists to tear him apart. I just read a funny bit where he seems to think that when a pathogen develops resistance to an antibiotic, this involves each individual organism gaining the advantageous mutation, and surviving. He's using this as an illustration that evos are wrong in saying that it is population groups, not individuals, who evolve. It makes me feel proud of some of our EvC creationists.
I sometimes drop by Evolution is Dead, but it's been very slow lately. Approximately unmoderated, but it never seems to need much, anyway. I used to look in there too, and it was always a quiet smallish group, but recently (like evolution, apparently) it seems to have died. The interesting thing about it was that, although it's a creationist site, the creationists were always outnumbered and piled onto by the evos, and that seems to be pretty much the case on nearly every evo/creo debate site I know. In other words, the imbalance we see here is pretty much everywhere. On infidels, it's ridiculous, as you might expect, and I haven't bothered to join the pile on yet.
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tesla Member (Idle past 1624 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
rants n raves reminds me of alot of 8 year olds all with 3 sticks of dynamite, and no restrictions on where to throw it.
(don't click the link in the "shout out", you'll find out what rickrolling is) finally got the site to load a little, but i wont go to it. I'm sure many would probably enjoy it tho. i prefer a less game like environment for issues i feel are important. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 765 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
rants n raves reminds me of alot of 8 year olds all with 3 sticks of dynamite That's partly for historical reasons to do with Infidels, and partly by design. There has, in all seriousness, been some excellent material presented in, say, the Lake Suigetsu threads. Note that I said "material presented," not "highly informative debate."
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tesla Member (Idle past 1624 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
entertaining to say the least. just not apparently productive.
i fear my comp set-up, I'm not well protected, and too poor financially for any real repair. i may still go tho, i seek a greater will on what i will do, but I'm not looking forward to the prospects lol as i feel it in my heart to do, that i will do. keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
i fear my comp set-up, I'm not well protected, and too poor financially for any real repair. What you need is a firewall and spyware detector more than anti-virus. Windoze has a basic firewall that is okay. You can also try ZoneAlarm's free firewall. It used to have a feature that would take messages while you were on line with dial up and you could play them in real time to see if it was someone you wanted to talk to. For spyware try spyware blaster. It is free and the only drawback it that you have to manually check for updates. I used to use adaware, but once I started spyware blaster adaware has not detected any spyware. Another thing to do this is to get another hard drive, and regularly switch hard drives, putting in a blank one (or format drive C or run your "restore" disk) and installing the software, updates etc, and then put the old hard-drive on as drive D to copy your files. Keep the old with the files as a backup until the next rebuild. One caveat: there is one file -- my bookmarks -- that I like to copy and keep (for some reason) and so I keep a copy in my files along with a link to the folder where it resides. Off topic ... so lets get back to alternate sites visited and what they are like. Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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tesla Member (Idle past 1624 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
oh i know what i need. luckily with my very slow 22kbps download ability and outdated 98 software, i will probably be hurt by kids who don't know what there doing than by an adult with a real sneaky up to date virus.
back on topic: well i dunno..i threw some gasoline on the raging fire, ill know pretty soon. lol keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
with my very slow 22kbps download ability and outdated 98 software, You won't be a target and all the holes have already been plugged. Kids will lose patience and others won't bother. Where'd you throw the gas? Edited by RAZD, : topic
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tesla Member (Idle past 1624 days) Posts: 1199 Joined: |
it was moved from my initial desired forum were i may have gotten a better debate to the flame forum:
Forbidden keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is ~parmenides
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1436 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
From your responses:
quote: This is hilarious, because the person claiming to be logical has one big flaming equivocation in his structure: "nothing is better than heaven" means not one thing is better than heaven "half a loaf is better than nothing" means half a loaf is better than not having anything.
it was moved from my initial desired forum were i may have gotten a better debate to the flame forum: Did you read the responses to posts in your desired thread? You can also ask Occam's Razor guy if it is always right. Enjoy. by our ability to understand RebelAAmericanOZen[Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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