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Topic: Is the Bible acceptable?
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Re Nothing Proven
Hi Man,
Reality Man writes: Add to that nothing in the Bible is proven to be true. I therefore have difficulty seeing how anything related to the texts from the Bible are at all reliable sources of information. I have seen this statement several times and I would like to question it just a bit if I may. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Now there is some of that statement that is not believed by most on EvC. Did the universe have a beginning? If it did that proves that the Bible contains proven information. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Re-Nothing in Bible True
Hi Man,
Reality Man writes: Add to that nothing in the Bible is proven to be true. Was all the land mass in one place at one time?
Bible: Gene 1:9 (KJS) And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. All the water in one place. All the land in one place. Science agrees. That is two for two. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 13 of 111 (455593)
02-12-2008 11:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 12 by subbie
02-12-2008 10:48 PM
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Re Nothing Proven
Hi subbie,
subbie writes: AFAIK, the question about the beginning of the universe is still open. I don't think it has been established to any degree of certainty that the universe had a beginning. It may have always existed. Hawking in a public lecture on the beginning of time. The page you were looking for doesn't exist (404)
In this lecture, I would like to discuss whether time itself has a beginning, and whether it will have an end. All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe has not existed forever, but that it had a beginning, about 15 billion years ago. This is probably the most remarkable discovery of modern cosmology. Yet it is now taken for granted. I don't know I am just a Bible thumper. But if they want to move the goal post a few trillion years Genesis 1:1 still is true. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 15 of 111 (455601)
02-13-2008 12:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Taz
02-12-2008 11:48 PM
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Re: Re Nothing Proven
Hi Taz, Try Message 13 God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 17 of 111 (455605)
02-13-2008 12:44 AM
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Reply to: Message 16 by subbie
02-13-2008 12:13 AM
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Re: Re Nothing Proven
Hi subbie, Genesis 1:1 says the heaven and the earth had a beginning. Science says the heaven and the earth had a beginning. Or am I misunderstanding what science says? God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 19 of 111 (455727)
02-13-2008 2:52 PM
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Reply to: Message 18 by subbie
02-13-2008 9:40 AM
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Re: Re Nothing Proven
Hi subbie,
subbie writes: the point that you are trying to make. Which is? I thought I was trying to say the Bible and Science agree that the universe had a beginning. Did I fall overboard somewhere? I was not trying to say that they agree on how it happened. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Re Nothing Proven
Hi CS
Catholic Scientist writes: Sorry, but you're just plain wrong. Are you saying the accepted Big Bang Theory does not put forth that the Universe had a beginning about 13+ billion years ago? I have never said God created the universe ex nihilo. You can move the date for natural creation as far back as you want somewhere you must find a beginning. Because it is and we are. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 81 of 111 (458310)
02-28-2008 9:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 49 by ramoss
02-27-2008 1:19 PM
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Re-Prediction
Hi ramoss,
ramoss writes: SO, what predictions does the bible make on what science will find? The heavens and the earth shall pass away as they will melt with fervent heat.
2Pet 3:10 (KJV) But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 82 of 111 (458315)
02-28-2008 10:11 AM
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Reply to: Message 69 by autumnman
02-27-2008 6:25 PM
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Re: talking smakes
Hi autumnman,
autumnman writes: Do you see what I am driving at? Sure the voice came from an outside source like the devil. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 87 of 111 (458360)
02-28-2008 4:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 83 by autumnman
02-28-2008 10:34 AM
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Re: uphill rivers
Hi autumnman,
autumnman writes: Furthermore, the author of the Eden Narrative lived at a time when the Tigris and Euphrates rivers existed in much the same manner that they continue to exist today. Neither the Tigris or Euphrates rivers originate from one even mightier river. These two rivers originate from very different locations high in the mountains of the land we now call Turkey. So if you know these two rivers could not have come from eden then please tell me where Eden was, I would love to know. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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ICANT
Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 88 of 111 (458363)
02-28-2008 4:29 PM
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Reply to: Message 85 by autumnman
02-28-2008 2:37 PM
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Re: Genesis 2:4
Hi autumnman,
autumnman writes: Yes. Eden is the high ground, the mountain of God. Yes, it is allegorical. Therefore, is it not quite likely that the entire Eden Narrative (Gen. 2:4--3:24) is also allegorical? Genesis 2:4 claims to be the history of the heaven and the earth in the day the heaven and earth was created. That history runs through Genesis 4:26. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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Member Posts: 6769 From: SSC Joined: 03-12-2007 Member Rating: 1.6
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Message 93 of 111 (458585)
03-01-2008 12:06 AM
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Reply to: Message 92 by IamJoseph
02-29-2008 11:51 PM
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Re: uphill rivers
Hi IAJ,
IamJoseph writes: This answer should not be expected to be answered: it lists talking serpents and angels which bar the entrance with firey swords turning every which way - so it is not on this here earth. So where is it? perhaps it is in the mind? Joseph how about if Genesis 1:1 was truly in the beginning as it says. This would have been like 10^9999999999 or more. The story of the generations of Genesis 1:1 as told in Genesis 2:4-4:26 telling us what happened in that world. Then at a later date the generations of the man created in the image of God which started at Genesis 5:1 tell us of our curent history of the earth. Something to think about. BTW This is my view. God Bless,
"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
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