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Topic: Creationist model
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 35 of 242 (446139)
01-04-2008 10:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by tesla
01-04-2008 10:31 PM
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Before you try again, I suggest you first learn what a model is and as suggested, study the How can "Creationism" be supported?.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 37 of 242 (446142)
01-04-2008 10:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 36 by tesla
01-04-2008 10:44 PM
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Learn what a model is.
First learn what a model is, then try again.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 40 of 242 (446146)
01-04-2008 10:49 PM
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Reply to: Message 39 by tesla
01-04-2008 10:48 PM
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First learn what a model is
First learn what a model is, then try again.
Immigration has been a problem Since 1607!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 63 of 242 (446418)
01-06-2008 9:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 62 by tesla
01-06-2008 9:32 AM
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Re: my creation model
tell me, by what "faith" does science acknoledge whether or not anything it is studying is "real"? There is no faith involved. There are three basic assumption and you can study them in Message 5. It also discusses why those three basic assumptions are needed. However, even those assumptions are not without support. Over many centuries, repeated observations have show that those three assumptions are valid. Therefore the conclusion, not faith, is that we can work within those three assumptions.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 66 of 242 (446426)
01-06-2008 10:13 AM
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Reply to: Message 65 by tesla
01-06-2008 10:00 AM
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Re: my creation model
Do you understand the term assumption? The assumptions are:
(1) that there is an objective reality
(2) that evidence tells the truth about that objective reality
(3) that we can understand objective reality by understanding the evidence The objective reality is the universe we inhabit. We make the assumption that the universe exists. That may well be wrong. It might not exist, but if that is the case then anything at all is possible and we can say nothing about anything. However there are strong indication that the universe does exist. Many observations over a long period have confirmed that the universe exists and so we can have a fairly high degree of confidence that is the case. Second, predictions made based on that assumption have been verified time after time. This adds additional weight to the potential validity of the assumption.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 68 of 242 (446429)
01-06-2008 10:18 AM
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Reply to: Message 67 by tesla
01-06-2008 10:15 AM
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Re: my creation model
The assumption we work with says that "Yes, I exist." However that could also be wrong. The point is that if I make the initial assumption that objective reality doesn't exist, then anything is possible. It is possible I am not sitting here. Edited by jar, : appalin spallin
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 95 of 242 (446522)
01-06-2008 3:13 PM
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Reply to: Message 94 by tesla
01-06-2008 3:07 PM
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Re: my creation model
if reality is definite, then it cannot come from something that is not there. Why?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 97 of 242 (446526)
01-06-2008 3:20 PM
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Reply to: Message 96 by tesla
01-06-2008 3:17 PM
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Re: my creation model
That is not an answer. Please explain "if reality is definite, then it cannot come from something that is not there." Hint, there are a bunch of terms in there you will have to support.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 102 of 242 (446538)
01-06-2008 3:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 100 by tesla
01-06-2008 3:30 PM
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Re: my creation model
because order cannot come from chaos and exist. Why?
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 104 of 242 (446547)
01-06-2008 3:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 103 by tesla
01-06-2008 3:43 PM
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Re: my creation model
That is not an answer. You said:
because order cannot come from chaos and exist. The question is "Why?" Explain this and this and this.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 106 of 242 (446551)
01-06-2008 3:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 105 by tesla
01-06-2008 3:52 PM
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Re: my creation model
order cannot come from chaos and exist without direction. Why? None of the things I showed you were directed.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 111 of 242 (446560)
01-06-2008 4:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 107 by tesla
01-06-2008 4:01 PM
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Order from Chaos.
Well frankly, you can get order from Chaos and despite what you might believe, it is a fact. So your first problem is you need to come to grips with that. Start with a decade or so of studying Chaos Theory. However that is still not an answer to something coming from nothing. You need to address why that is impossible as well as the other possibilities such as something may have existed forever. By the way, links work fine for me. BUT... you have still not presented a model or even shown you know what a model is. The topic, in case you missed it, is "Creationist model".
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 211 of 242 (449396)
01-17-2008 8:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 208 by tesla
01-17-2008 7:42 PM
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Order from Chaos
No ordered form can exist on top of chaos without direction. (remember direction.) Stop posting things that you have been show are false. See Message 104. We are over two thirds of the way through this thread and you still have not presented a model and you are repeating falsehoods.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 214 of 242 (449409)
01-17-2008 9:12 PM
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Reply to: Message 212 by tesla
01-17-2008 8:49 PM
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Re: Order from Chaos
Sorry but that is simply nonsense and yet more falsehoods. Fractals are not directed by man.
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 216 of 242 (449427)
01-17-2008 9:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 215 by tesla
01-17-2008 9:44 PM
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Re: Order from Chaos
yes jar, without a man a fractal would never be seen. Snowflake? Conch Shell? Waves? Mountains? Clouds? Nautilus? Ferns?
Broccoli?
Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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