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Author Topic:   How can you identify the word of God without critical assessment of God?
sinequanon
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Message 1 of 11 (445723)
01-03-2008 3:50 PM


If something were presented as the word of God, and if you accept that you should not question the word of God, how could you determine whether or not it is indeed the word of God?
There may be prophets and there may be false prophets. There may be holy books and there may be false books. How can you tell them apart without critically assessing them using your fallible mortal understanding?
An example could be choosing between the Ohaspe and the Bible as a religious works. Could your choice as to which one of them is God's word be based on anything other than mortal assessment?
For the faith and belief forum, please.
Edited by sinequanon, : Added proposed forum.
Edited by sinequanon, : Clarification as per AdminNWR Message 9. + added "fallible" to qualify the word "mortal".

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sinequanon
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Message 3 of 11 (445852)
01-04-2008 5:53 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by AdminPD
01-03-2008 7:21 PM


Re: Inconsistent
You have not indicated what you think the OP is inconsistent with, or pinpointed the supposed inconsistency.
Can you please move it to the Coffee House if you feel the format is not suitable for debate.

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sinequanon
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Message 5 of 11 (445873)
01-04-2008 8:29 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by AdminPD
01-04-2008 6:49 AM


Re: Inconsistent
What question do you want to deal with concerning identifying God's word: judging God, questioning God, or our mortal understanding of existence?
All of them, i.e
First reading the words, then questioning the words to decide whether or not God would say such words or communicate them in such a manner. (Thereby judging God through the eyes of a mortal). E.g rejecting the Ohaspe as a religious works on the basis that God would not write such words or communicate them through a particular person.
By judging God, I mean "assessing" God and his actions, not the biblical notion associated with condemnation. Perhaps that is where you are seeing inconsistency? I don't know.
This isn't a Coffee House topic. Coffee House is not an anything goes forum.
But need all the posts in it be in the format of a debate?
My position is that I don't know how the word of God can be identified without judging God. I am asking those who believe that they have done so how they have done so.

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sinequanon
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Message 7 of 11 (445927)
01-04-2008 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by AdminPD
01-04-2008 12:28 PM


Re: Inconsistent
Why is assessing God a problem in identifying his word?
I didn't say it was a "problem".
Who says we can't question God?
Not me.
What has our understanding of mortal existence have to do with identifying God's word?
I think you have misread. I said mortal understanding (of existence). "Existence" meaning "what is". I could have left the word out altogether as implicit. Then you would probably have asked me, "understanding of what?".
It's like this tread http://EvC Forum: Did Eyelids Evolve? -->EvC Forum: Did Eyelids Evolve? which seems to be going fine, for example. Nobody has asked what the author's position is.
Another thread is this one http://EvC Forum: fulfilled prophecy - specific examples. -->EvC Forum: fulfilled prophecy - specific examples. No position stated, but responses requested leading to debate.
I can find a lot more similar examples.
However, I am guessing you will have your way. If your think it would be representative of EvC response, you may close the proposal. I would be happy to draw my conclusions from that.

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sinequanon
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Message 10 of 11 (445949)
01-04-2008 2:46 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by AdminNWR
01-04-2008 2:17 PM


Re: Some changes needed
Thank you AdminNWR. I have amended the OP as required.

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