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Lake Varve Sediments and the Great Flood

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Message 65 of 119 (443753)
12-26-2007 5:13 PM 		Reply to: Message 64 by Creationist
12-26-2007 5:04 PM

Re: Ignoring the off topic stuff
No body said it took 4 million catastrophic events.
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There are over 4 million layers (actually recent core samples have shown over 20 million).
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So what is your process for laying down 4 million layers, alternating between finer and coarser, lighter and darker?
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Again, Mount St. Helens produced 100 of the layers in one day. So it would not take nearly as many as you claim.
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Sorry that is volcanic ash. We are talking about lake varves.
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No, events such as these combined with a world wide flood would be enough to produce most of what we see. Again, no one says that they don’t happen yearly. Just that all that we see did not happen yearly.
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Please explain the mechanism?
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Once again it can be done by a self sorting mechanism explained here, and in a Nature article. Silt is still made up of small particles and will eventually settle out.
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The key word is eventually.
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Still waiting for a model.
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Message 74 of 119 (443799)
12-26-2007 7:23 PM 		Reply to: Message 72 by Creationist
12-26-2007 6:45 PM

Trying to head back towards the topic.
The topic is "Lake Varve Sediments and the Great Flood" so the rest of your stuff is simply off topic and irrelevant.
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The issue is "How do you explain the specific mechanisms that laid down over 4 million alternating layers of lighter and darker, finer and coarser varves at the Green River?"
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The conventional model adequately explains what is seen. If you wish to be taken seriously you need to present a model that explains things even better than the conventional model.
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Message 107 of 119 (444164)
12-28-2007 1:50 PM 		Reply to: Message 106 by johnfolton
12-28-2007 1:44 PM

word salad don't cut it
I'm sorry but you still have not presented a mechanism to explain over 4 million alternating finer and coarser, darker and lighter layers of silt which cannot settle out except in still water.
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The conventional explanation does.
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Until you can provide something that explains what is seen better than the current model, you are just shoveling shit.
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12-28-2007 2:23 PM 		Reply to: Message 108 by johnfolton
12-28-2007 2:14 PM

Re: Jars Word Salad
You should know by know I don't play your games.
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What is the explanation for over 4 million alternating layers of lighter and darker, coarser and finer silt deposits.
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That's it whatever, none of your dancing or attempts to palm the pea, what is the mechanism that explains over 4 million (in some cores over 20 million) alternating varves?
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The conventional model explains them, we can actually see the model producing the same type layers today. No magic, no suppositions needed.
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So what is your model whatever? Until you can present the model that explains what is seen better than the conventional model, you are just shoveling more shit as usual.
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Message 119 of 119 (449597)
01-18-2008 12:51 PM

Bump to see if any other explanation is possible.
Still looking for another model to explain what is seen in the Green River, a series of over 4,000,000 (over 20,000,000 in some cores) alternating layers of darker finer material and lighter coarser material.
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We can see just such varves being created annually. Summer and Fall algae growth stains the silt a darker color but when it dies off during Winter a lighter silt is laid down and Spring runoff brings in a coarser material so at least one mechanism is known and can be shown to exist.
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What other mechanism might explain what is seen?
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