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Author Topic:   Woodshole fires Xian biologist... who does not turn cheek.
Silent H
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Message 1 of 16 (439805)
12-10-2007 3:01 PM


Here's an interesting tidbit in the news. A Xian biologist was fired by Woodshole Oceanographic Institute, for not accepting evolutionary theory. He has decided to file a lawsuit against them. An excerpt...
The latest U.S. academic spat over science and religion was first reported in The Boston Globe newspaper on Friday. Gibbs Law Firm in Florida, which is representing Abraham, said he was seeking $500,000 in compensation.
The zebrafish specialist said his civil rights were violated when he was dismissed shortly after telling his superior he did not accept evolution because he believed the Bible presented a true account of human creation....
Woods Hole, a federally funded nonprofit research center on Cape Cod, said in a statement it firmly believed its actions and those of its employees in the case were "entirely lawful" and that it does not discriminate.
Abraham, who was dismissed eight months after he was hired, said he was willing to do research using evolutionary concepts but that he had been required to accept Darwin's theory of evolution as scientific fact or lose his job.
The Massachusetts Commission Against Discrimination dismissed the case this year, saying Abraham's request not to work on evolutionary aspects of research would be difficult for Woods Hole because its work is based on evolutionary theories.
Abraham said this condition was never spelled out in the advertisement for the job and that his dismissal led to severe economic losses, an injured reputation, emotional pain and suffering and mental anguish.
I think it's interesting that he claims he would be willing to do research "using" evolutionary concepts, yet feels they are fraudulent. Why would he even want to work there, and indeed what did he expect to produce of value, if used them and they were not true?
And I find it sort of cute that he is arguing evolutionary theory was not in the job description. I'm sure wearing clothes was not in the job description, yet one understands that would be expected.
This might make an interesting thread somewhere, but I'm just puttin' out the info right here.

h
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - Robert E. Howard

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Silent H
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Message 8 of 16 (439870)
12-10-2007 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Chiroptera
12-10-2007 4:42 PM


Re: Remember Thorkild Grosboel?
Hahaha, I hadn't heard of that. It's also funny that someone named "Rebel" didn't like his defiance.
From what I know, churches play an odd civil function in Danish society. I had a gf (obviously danish) who said that confirmation to a state church was almost obligatory to get certain social benefits. I guess that's what comes from having a state church.
She was an atheist, pretty hardcore too, but still she had to get confirmed or face problems. Part of this involved writing a paper to be reviewed by church upper ups. So she wrote a scathing anti-religious paper, and demanded to be confirmed all the same. Eventually they were forced to relent and confirm her.
Sounds like maybe this guy decided to take the same fight inside.

h
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - Robert E. Howard

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Silent H
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Message 9 of 16 (439871)
12-10-2007 6:20 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by JB1740
12-10-2007 3:17 PM


What I cannot for the life of me understand is how he was competitive, with a PhD in philosophy, for a biology post-doc.
I assume he had relevant coursework within biology for the position.
Interestingly enough, I was rejected by Woodshole for an internship, because they said I was overqualified. At the time my only degree was in philosophy, though I did have additional coursework in the physical sciences... apparently too much. I kept the rejection letter since that almost seemed like an honor.
Philosophers can actually move on... and I would argue SHOULD move on... and take physical science coursework. It applies the tools they learned and makes them more marketable.
Of course in this case, the guy was probably better served with a degree in Theology. Not sure how a competently trained philosopher would reject evolutionary theory, or have problems investigating its aspects when doing biological work.

h
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - Robert E. Howard

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Silent H
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Message 14 of 16 (440130)
12-11-2007 4:22 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by JB1740
12-11-2007 8:32 AM


I'm still surprised since people tend to be very focused on what degrees are in...rather than accumulated life experience.
Oh, that is very true. The only real way around that is to have a great reference from someone with the right degree... so they vouch for your experience... or you have a great reference from someone who is friends with the person doing the hiring.

h
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - Robert E. Howard

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Silent H
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Message 16 of 16 (440140)
12-11-2007 4:54 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by JB1740
12-11-2007 4:24 PM


Like say Liberty, Oral Roberts, or Regent University... heheheh.

h
"Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - Robert E. Howard

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