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Theory of Evolution and model of evolution

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Message 16 of 54 (440030)
12-11-2007 9:48 AM 		Reply to: Message 15 by newflyer
12-11-2007 9:44 AM

Creationists at least have the argument that God came into time and space and created life. What do y'all think of that?
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I think it tells us nothing and so is worthless drivel. For it to have any value what so ever, it would need to explain "How God did it."
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12-11-2007 10:00 AM 		Reply to: Message 17 by newflyer
12-11-2007 9:51 AM

On How Things work
But it's an explanation, where none exists on the evolutionist side. Regardless of whether you agree with it or not, it can't be disproven, and it's more of an explanation than you offer.
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No, it explains nothing and is simply a dead end that eliminates the possibility of ever finding out the the truth.
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At the present time we do not have an answer (and it is very likely that we will never have "The Answer™") on exactly how life began. We are very close though to understanding mechanisms of "The Ways Life Can Begin™".
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The way one moves from ignorance to knowledge is by accepting many things as "Unknown so far". If when we have something where we do not know the steps involved we simply insert "God Did IT" we create deadends, failures, and end up with no explanation. Inserting "God Did It" is exactly the same as saying "Blivits Did It".
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It is NULL, worthless, of no value.
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The correct answer to how life began is "We don't know YET."
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jar
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12-11-2007 10:15 AM 		Reply to: Message 22 by newflyer
12-11-2007 10:05 AM

Re: On How Things work
But it's not a dead-end.
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How did God create life? When we make that next step, asking how it was done, we move directly to Abiogenesis, the study of how life came from non-life.
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Even if, like I believe, God is the the creator of all that is, seen and unseen, to have any understanding we must continue asking the questions. If we simply stop at "God Did It" we only assure that we will remain in ignorance.
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There are lots of evidences for creationism. The foremost and most recent one is the helium leak rate.
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I'm sorry but you must remember that your sources are lying to you. There is no other way to put it.
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BUT, there is an even bigger problem. Disproving Evolution or Abiogenesis does not add any weight or support for Creationism. If Creationism is ever to get beyond being a joke and a congame sucking money out of the pockets of ignorant, gullible Christians, it must present a model that explains what is seen better than the current conventional models. That has simply never been done.
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Before you go much further you should probably study How can "Creationism" be supported?.
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12-23-2007 12:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 52 by Percy
12-23-2007 7:45 AM

Re: My Surmise on Volunteer
Ten days or so ago, in Message 22 I first pointed that out and gave him a list of threads on the subject.
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It is pretty obvious that volunteer is not capable of reading, following directions or understanding.
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