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Author Topic:   Entropy and the immutable law of death
crashfrog
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Message 80 of 83 (434184)
11-14-2007 8:05 PM
Reply to: Message 78 by ChemEbeaver
11-14-2007 2:04 AM


It's correct, there are more ions at higher temperature, but it doesn't prove me wrong.
It does, because it's exactly what you said doesn't happen.
But it does happen.
Hydrogen bonds are broken by electric field:
What electric field? We're talking about pure water.
This is probably why chemical engineers can come out after four years and is able to do real work earning an industry's average of $56,850 a year. Whereas chemist requires a master to do any real work and still gets paid less ($53,879).
That's fascinating, I guess, but I don't see the relevance.

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crashfrog
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Message 83 of 83 (435194)
11-19-2007 6:17 PM
Reply to: Message 82 by ChemEbeaver
11-19-2007 1:53 AM


Even pure water has an electric field since it is still bipolar.
Oh, you're talking about dipole moment.
But that just proves what I'm saying. Water's dipole moment only causes an interaction when the molecules are in proximity; ultimately, it's the kinetic action of heat that gets them into that proximity, which is why the concentrations of hydroxide and hydronium both increase when you heat pure water.
Which is precisely what you said would not occur. How do you explain this discrepancy?

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