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bluescat48
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Message 112 of 125 (435083)
11-19-2007 12:01 AM
Reply to: Message 111 by Silent H
11-18-2007 3:22 PM


Re: A clarification.
Obviously this presents a problem for atheists because they don't believe in God, then by what measure is something objectively good or bad? Its almost as if they would have to default to relativity. Its either that or concede that some kind of Higher Power/Authority exists.
I would agree with your argument to a very large extent. Without an ultimate creator or creators who can tell us what purpose THEY had, and so rules we MUST follow, I see no rational basis for an absolute morality. Of course even then someone could pull a Satan and decide that just because they were created, that doesn't make God's rules the only ones possible.
my views of morality come from a mixture of logic & modifications of Hammurabi's code.

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bluescat48
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Message 114 of 125 (435120)
11-19-2007 7:51 AM
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11-19-2007 12:36 AM


Absolute morality?
Basically morality in my view:
1. All Humans are of the same species, therefore doing any harm to another assumes that they are not.
2. Given that basic laws against another predates the Biblical "10 commandments" yet says basically the same thing about how one treats another, thus making it immoral to commit such crimes as murder, robbery, false witness, adultry etc.
the only difference is in religious laws which do not apply to someone of another faith or no faith.
Also, one does not have to believe in a deity to follow the philosophical teachings of a particular deity's followers, when such
teaching bears the same logical views.

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bluescat48
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Message 116 of 125 (435207)
11-19-2007 7:42 PM
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11-19-2007 6:41 PM


It is not absolute. Most things are not absolute. As for illegal vs immoral. Most things that are illegal are so because they are immoral.
Each person has his own morals. I've stated mine.

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