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Message 1 of 19 (421413)
09-12-2007 4:33 PM

Things have been a little slow, so I thought I'd throw a bone in the fire:

This is a short video talking about where we get morality from and the relative merits of the biblical teaching on the subject:

(Part 3, Sam Harris talks about religion at the Aspen Ideas Festival.)

So I put it to you, that people have the moral codes they do -- including christians -- in spite of what the bible says, not because of it.

Let the fray commence

Enjoy.

ps -- the full speech is in 6 parts on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1LWv6JqRMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHkvQbohO68
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDuY1IdbvGU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3eWtBZ04Po0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHkZULu_l0c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojsm5A1LP0U

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Message 3 of 19 (421419)
09-12-2007 5:14 PM

Reply to: Message 2 by Taz
09-12-2007 4:58 PM

I strongly advice everyone to see parts 1,2, 4, etc. The part linked to in first post is part 3.

Yeah, I picked 3 because it best fit the thesis for this post: that morality - even christian morality - is in spite of the bible, not because of it.

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Message 5 of 19 (421425)
09-12-2007 5:50 PM

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09-12-2007 5:20 PM

Nope. What comes comes, it will be interesting.

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I'd probably cry like a little girl in your situation.

Q: Doc, how will I know if I am cured of cancer?
A: When you die of something else.
Goal: Die of something else (and have fun doing it).

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Message 7 of 19 (421673)
09-13-2007 5:51 PM

Reply to: Message 6 by ikabod
09-13-2007 6:28 AM

absolute morality is dead.

the moral code people have in their head has very little to do with the bible .

Exactly, and this also means that the concept of absolute morality is also refuted.

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Message 11 of 19 (422236)
09-16-2007 3:15 PM

Reply to: Message 10 by arachnophilia
09-15-2007 1:10 AM

Re: not entirely correct

the bible is a very schizophrenic set of texts.
another point of interest is that christianity today is markedly different than the teachings of christ. the problem is that "sodomy" has come to mean gay sex,

These are basically minor quibbles about what the bible says. It does not address the issue of morals in society being other than what is in the bible, whether on issues of sex or on issues of child care, wife treatment, slavery, etc.

Those moral positions of our society are different because of increased enlightenment and education, and they are held by christians in spite of what the bible says.

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