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I haven't been able to post in a while and when I went back to read up on what I've missed, all I saw was a whole lot of bitching.That's frustrating, but I guess if I had been hear to see it all it could have been more frustrating.

I'm sick of people saying that I'm comparing homosexuality to incest, beastiality, pedophilia, etc, when the argument is very CLEARLY an argument against moral relativity. But, hey, that's the nature of it.You aren't battling against people that play by the same rules. You are battling a people that foist upon you new rules at every turn, and have a plethora of excuses to exonerate themselves.At some point you are going to have to develop some thicker skin and actually expect them to be either be that obtuse or that dishonest to where they would intentionally skew what you're saying because they are angry.The way I see it is that they are often left with an indefensible position-- and they know it. That's when the mudslinging begins. I guess I've just come to expect it.

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"The problem of Christianity is not that it has been tried and found wanting, but that it is difficult and left untried" -G.K. Chesterton

**Pops out out "lurker" mode...** But in making your case comparing them is exactly what you do. Your passive/aggressive tactics are easy to spot - you knowingly drop the comparison in and then feign shock when people get riled up. You've done this on many occasions.... Exonerate themselves from what?In any case both the breadth of opinion of what constitutes morality and your consistent failure to produce any evidence for a single moral framework work against your argument.

Being that multiple people who do not agree with my stance on homosexuality understand that I'm making an argument against moral relativism tells me that other people are seeing what they want to see.I've been very clear and consistent on the matter. I've even apologized, on a couple of occasions, if I had anything to do with a misunderstanding. To no avail. After reviewing multiple posts, I seriously cannot see how someone could arrive at the conclusions they have. Which tells me that unreasonable people see what they want to see, rather than what is actually presented. If you want to engage me in that thread, by all means come and join the fun and see if you can reconcile the irreconcilable.

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"The problem of Christianity is not that it has been tried and found wanting, but that it is difficult and left untried" -G.K. Chesterton

And the whole thing I'm trying to say to you is that what you say about yourself is contradicted by the way you say it. It's like you're saying, "WHY CAN"T YOU FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT I DON'T FUCKING SWEAR ANY MORE?" So, you've expressed your opinion. If you could be wrong, why not shut the @#$% up about it? Why come in here repeating your opinion over and over again and then crying crocodile tears when people disagree with you? Non sequitur. You haven't shown any correlation between people who insult you and idiocy. No. It doesn't make any difference if they're right or wrong. How could you even know who's right and who's wrong if you don't absorb everybody's viewpoint? You see the word "bigot" in a post and you assume the person is wrong. You automatically lose any value that might be in the post. There may be a wide spectrum, but there's a pretty narrow consensus. I asked you before and didn't get an answer: You understand attraction to women, don't you? So why don't you understand the attraction of one woman to another woman? And how do you claim to understand the attraction of women to men? And you still don't understand why that's completely irrelevant? Does a person's right to vote have anything to do with whether they were born a Democrat? Even lesbian sex? I find that hard to believe.Even if it's true, here's my super-secret three-step plan for avoiding homosex:

1. Don't have sex with men.
2. Don't watch gay porn.
3. Shut the @#$% up about it.

So, you don't like homosexuals but you like people who drive homosexuals?

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Beam-in-the-eye disease has that effect.

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I am tired of treating religious bigots with kid gloves.Why should anybody praise them for changing their view from discriminatory and bigoted to somewhat less discriminatory and bigoted?Would anybody here tolerate a racist or a misogynist in the same way they have been tolerating homophobes? I doubt it.

Ofcourse - even though I am not a Christian, that's only because of the generalization of the term's useage. Therefore it can not describe anything about me without being a loaded term. Commonly, ofcourse, the term means nothing, so I would deem it as highly ridiculous to be in the ownership of a title with no meaning.

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Ofcourse it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real? - Albus Dumbledore

I would love to believe that, really I would, but his prejudice, and bias actions towards Christian people and what they say, says it all.It is clear when in the last thread I created, about death bed conversions, which has absolutely nothing to do with being gay or not, or same sex marriage, he brings it up, and starts debating me on it.If he was truly unbiased, he would have never brought that up. Just because someone is perceived wrong on one thing, does not make them automatically wrong on everything else.And if the admins were unbiased, they would have stopped him dead in his tracks.I am almost feeling a need to stay here now, because this BS does not need to infiltrating peoples minds on the internet. Someone has to be a voice of reason.I will have to be a little more harsh now. It's been over three years, and I've never been suspended here. Just got my first ban from one forum, and I feel it was highly unrighteous.A note to the admins, and the director of this forum.
***If you are going to make rules, at least adhere to them yourself, and at least moderate them correctly, and as unbiased as you can. If you don't, I will be there to point it out, which will only stain the validity of this great forum.***

No, you influence waves of BS.I'm not picking on you, I actually like you, even though we do not get along at all. Well maybe 5% of the time we have agreed. It was meant more of a joke, but since your're (lol) always uptight with me, you didn't notice.

Says you, my dog loves me, she licks my balls, and follows me where ever I go. Man's best friend. And if she gets sick, I want her to be covered by my medical insurance.We are in love, and we are not hurting anyone by getting married (my point, which I knew you would miss, hence the disclaimer). What skin is it off your back to let me and my dog get married? What business is it of yours, if I want to marry my dog, why don't you mind your own business? Who are you to tell me how I should live my life? Who gave you authority to tell me how to live?You call my dog handicap? She was born that way. Just like I was born zoosexual. My dog was born humansexual.Whatever.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.Edited by riVeRraT, : No reason given.

Thanks Equinox, I am trying, that's all I can do. I guess it is not the only reason. I kind of realized that after I wrote it. I guess it is a combination of things, none of which include taking away other peoples freedoms.That is what I am exploring now, why I feel that way, and do I really have a right to feel that way.

Yes, I see all that.So why do you stay here then?

Dude whatever wets your whistle as far as I am concernedBut you should probably know that she is cheating on you........

Oh well. I expressed many times, I am not a literary genius.Besides, people read in between the lines with me too much. People need to start taking things at face value. And when they do, and still point out I am wrong, I can try and express myself differently.You know, it's like my step son, he is handicap. When I met him, he was 8, and could not fathom how many cups go into a pint, and how many pints are in a quart, etc. I, and a few others, had to explain it to him about 30 different ways, until he finally got it.It seems many people here mimic that behavior. I am not in this thread to debate my position about homosexuals. If you notice, taz was the one to bring it up again.I also do not cry, when people disagree with me, I am merely correcting them when they get it wrong. Or exploring the outside chance that I am wrong. It's a given. Insulting people, is being an idiot. Me, or any other person would be hard pressed to change their views after being insulted.Isn't that the main cry of all the agnostic, atheist, liberal people here, that the fundamentalists insult them with conviction, and condemnation, and by telling them how to live? That even if there was a good message about Jesus, that they are not hearing it through all the BS?Isn't that the same theology driving witch burnings? Depending on your world view. Because I am a man. Because we are here. Nope. I was born/choose to be a zoophile, can I marry my dog? I'm not hurting anyone. Sorry, but there is no relevance in that comparison. Let's stick to the issue at hand. At one time it did turn me on, but I have since been enlightened about the truth of it.
The only reason it would turn me on, is if I could be in the middle of it. 1. Not a problem
2. Still not a problem, but now thanks to pop-ups that is almost impossible to avoid those images. Not to mention seeing to guys kissing on the street. But hey, thats my problem right!?!
3. I would shut @#$% up, if others would. Remember, I have only brought it up maybe 3-4 times. It is always started by someone else.
I brought it up to improve myself, others bring it up to stain me. Thats just sad that you didn't get that.