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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: None of that is relevant. Your dog cannot give legal consent to enter into a legal marriage contract, therefore you cannot marry it.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: You have an absolute right to feel any way you want to, rat.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Nator, you're wasting your time with riverrat and others like him. If they can't tell the difference between a relationship between 2 consenting adults and a person and an animal, no amount of explanation will make them understand. Whether they purposely won't understand the difference or they honestly have an underdeveloped conscience, I'm not sure there's really anyway we can get them to understand the difference, which is all too obvious to us.
Personally, I'm just going to wait for him to grow old and die. Too bad my conscience doesn't allow me to vote against him or his religion. Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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Meddle Member (Idle past 1301 days) Posts: 179 From: Scotland Joined: |
Says you, my dog loves me, she licks my balls, and follows me where ever I go. Man's best friend. And if she gets sick, I want her to be covered by my medical insurance. We are in love, and we are not hurting anyone by getting married (my point, which I knew you would miss, hence the disclaimer). What skin is it off your back to let me and my dog get married? What business is it of yours, if I want to marry my dog, why don't you mind your own business? Who are you to tell me how I should live my life? Who gave you authority to tell me how to live? You are assuming that the ball licking and following you around is a sign of affection, yet it could be equally be argued as the dog exhibiting submissive behaviour to what it regards as the alpha male. Your dog can't give its opinion of the relationship, can't consent to marriage or even appreciate what the concept of marriage is.Your argument also suggests that this marriage is based on physical/sexual gratification and financial benefits. This suggests you feel same-sex marriage is based on the same foundation. Adults wanting to marry are capable of making a conscious informed decision, capable of making others know of that decision, and doing this as part of a reciprocal, loving relationship. I don't see the comparison.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
And he asks why people think he's a bigot when he makes this kind of comparison. He can't actually understand that there is a distinct difference between consenting adults and dogs. We've been telling him exactly what you just said the last year or so and he's still at it. Just sit back now and watch how he's going to complain that we are unjustly calling him a bigot for comparing consenting adults to dogs.
Disclaimer: Occasionally, owing to the deficiency of the English language, I have used he/him/his meaning he or she/him or her/his or her in order to avoid awkwardness of style. He, him, and his are not intended as exclusively masculine pronouns. They may refer to either sex or to both sexes!
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
What the heck is the topic? It's beyond me why you would ask that question, yet you are an admin, clearly not cut out for the job.
Doesn't look inherently stupid to me. If you don't want to discuss it here, I'd like to discuss it somewhere. If you want to discuss it, find a topic you think it is relevant to or start a new one if you like. It's stupid, because it has nothing to do with the topic. And no, I do not want to discuss it.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Really? I haven't met a single black person trying to pass any laws preventing white people from voting. I haven't met a single black person who's trying to ammend the constitution to prevent white people from attending public institutions. I haven't met a single black person trying to mount a grass roots campaign to pass laws to prevent interacial marriage. None of those things are absolutes for being a racists. And you know it.
There's a difference between "I don't like someone" and "I'm going manipulate the government to set up a systematic pattern of abuse and descrimination." There sure is.
Sure, you're a bigot. It's not your fault. It's lack of education coupled with a strong belief in magic. Had you had reasonable schooling in either philosophy, science or history, you'd be a different person. Proof positive, you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about.
I'm not trying to change you. You're already a lost cause. All I'm saying it, keep your uneducated, magic worshiping, bigotted hands off my Constitution. Go fuck yourself.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Um... I didn't "point out" - or even hint - that it was "only you". It's everybody's own responsibility to make themselves understood. It just so happens that you're the one here who's complaining about being misunderstood. If you don't want to be misunderstood, then make a better effort to be understood. So why, you can accuse me of crying?Give me a break, you just went full circle, like circle jerk. For example, I don't see you trying to understand why people think you're a bigot. I see you getting defensive about it. Oh fucking Bullshit, Bullshit.why would I even bother to change my stance on same sex marriage. All this BS, almost makes me want to change back again, that is all this is accomplishing. What more do you want? My current stance on everything does not fit the definition of bigot in the least. You want me to be gay or something?
You seem more concerned about the "insult" to you than the fact that people actually see you that way. Maybe because there is more insult than actually constructive criticism. Why do people keep bringing it up? I'm not the one bringing it up.I asked a simple question, and started a thread or two about it, and now I've changed based on what was told to me, and the investigating I did on it, along with some soul searching. There's nothing left to talk about. I don't treat gay people any different than anyone else. That's it, story over.
If that isn't the way you really are, then you have to show it before you can expect people to see it. By your fruits they shall know you. Show what???? This is an internet forum, I've already written my stance on it, several hundred times, there's nothing left to discuss.
I've said that you shouldn't be surprized if saying this or that gives people a certain impression of you. I am not surprised, people get things wrong all the time.
If lesbians having no interest in men turns you off, why doesn't straight men having no interest in men turn you off? Um, it does, I am not attracted to them.
It's like saying that people are "just a little bit way too over sensitive" towards child-molesters, or mass-murdereres. Just how sensitive should we be to something that's unacceptable? If it doesn't exist, not at all.
People will stop criticizing you when you stop representing things they don't like. Such as????? I am for gay marriage, is there anything else? Am I enfringing on anyones rights? If so let me know, because regardless of what nuggin thinks, I actually uphold the constitution.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
If true, then that's hardly my fault, is it? If I influence other people, then it must be because they see something wothwhile in my arguments and use them as a springboard for their own. Like rrhain used to say on religion, just because 2 million people think it is a good thing, doesn't make it one.
In other words, your accusation that I am a puppetmaster is completely unwarranted. Right? Wrong, your constant mis-understanding of me, and twisting of words is completely responsible for more than half of the shit that happens to me around here. Your the puppet master, and the rest are a three ringed circus.
Yeah, that's what you always come back and say. "It was a joke". Sure... And this is a prime example of what I just said. If I say it was a joke IT WAS A FUCKING JOKE. we don't need you to influence waves of BS. Oh and since your're getting so defensive, and according to ringo's logic, you must be guilty. Edited by riVeRraT, : boing
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You have an absolute right to feel any way you want to, rat. I see you mis-understood me again, so I will clarify. I am well aware, that I can feel anyway I want, even if it infringes on other peoples rights. But that doesn't meet with my moral standard, and logic. I don't want to enfringe on other peoples rights, as long as what they are doing, doesn't affect me, or the past/present/future of our race and planet, that's an absolute for me. That, to me, is true freedom, with responsibility.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
Nator, you're wasting your time with riverrat and others like him. If they can't tell the difference between a relationship between 2 Personally, I'm just going to wait for him to grow old and die. Too bad my conscience doesn't allow me to vote against him or his religion. Likewise.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
You are assuming that the ball licking and following you around is a sign of affection, yet it could be equally be argued as the dog exhibiting submissive behaviour to what it regards as the alpha male. I know some marriages like that.
Your dog can't give its opinion of the relationship, can't consent to marriage or even appreciate what the concept of marriage is. I know some people like that.
Your argument also suggests that this marriage is based on physical/sexual gratification and financial benefits. No, as I indicated before, it is not based on sex.
This suggests you feel same-sex marriage is based on the same foundation. No it doesn't, because I wasn't comparing the two.
Adults wanting to marry are capable of making a conscious informed decision, capable of making others know of that decision, and doing this as part of a reciprocal, loving relationship. I don't see the comparison. Neither do I, whew, good.
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riVeRraT Member (Idle past 447 days) Posts: 5788 From: NY USA Joined: |
And he asks why people think he's a bigot when he makes this kind of comparison. UNFUCKING BELIEVABLE. Even though it was expressed several thousand times, you still accuse me of making that comparison. Stop twisting what I say. It only makes me think you are wrong all the time.
He can't actually understand that there is a distinct difference between consenting adults and dogs. Of course there is you tool.
Just sit back and watch how people will knowingly accuse me of making the comparison. Just amazing.
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Nuggin Member (Idle past 2523 days) Posts: 2965 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Joined: |
Proof positive, you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. Go fuck yourself. Sounds like someones got their Klan hood in a bunch. Hitting a little too close to home there Rat?
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
It's beyond me why you would ask that question, yet you are an admin, clearly not cut out for the job. I was hoping you'd check out the OP - "I don't see being OT a problem, though I suppose the possibility exists." I don't know what would constitute OT here, and I'm not going to try. Us Admins aren't obliged to moderate every single thread - if I don't see a way of moderating it I simply don't.
It's stupid, because it has nothing to do with the topic. And no, I do not want to discuss it. The topic is about moaning and whining and venting. As far as I can tell the comment is a moan and a whine and is venting. If you don't want to discuss it, that's fine - but when you make a statement - on the board you shouldn't be surprised when people respond to it. If you don't want to discuss it it's usually best not to make the statement to begin with. This is a discussion board after all, you can understand why people might take your statements to be an invitation for discussion.
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