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Author Topic:   Dawkins - 'The God Delusion'
anastasia
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Message 160 of 167 (409826)
07-11-2007 2:39 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by bluegenes
07-11-2007 12:46 PM


Re: Delusion
Definition
A delusion is an unshakable belief in something untrue. These irrational beliefs defy normal reasoning, and remain firm even when overwhelming proof is presented to dispute them. Delusions are often accompanied by hallucinations and/or feelings of paranoia, which act to strengthen confidence in the delusion. Delusions are distinct from culturally or religiously based beliefs that may be seen as untrue by outsiders.
Since I haven't read the book, does Dawkins talk about why he uses the word 'delusion', rather than the more common description of religious belief as 'illusion'?

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anastasia
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Message 163 of 167 (409835)
07-11-2007 5:12 PM
Reply to: Message 161 by AZPaul3
07-11-2007 3:02 PM


Re: Delusion
OED writes:
"act of misleading someone," c.1420; as a form of mental derangement, 1552. See delude. Technically, delusion is a belief that, though false, has been surrendered to and accepted by the whole mind as a truth; illusion is an impression that, though false, is entertained provisionally on the recommendation of the senses or the imagination, but awaits full acceptance and may not influence action.
I am not in love with either of the words. Religious belief could be provisional and awaiting full acceptance, or completely blind. Still, there is no illusion or no delusion if the belief is not proved wrong.
I do agree that certain parts of a religion can be erroneous, and believers deluded about them.
The act or process of deluding.
The state of being deluded.
A false belief or opinion: labored under the delusion that success was at hand.
Psychiatry A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness: delusions of persecution.
None of these fit until something is proven false. For example, one could be deluded about the age of the earth, but Biblical inspiration is not in the same category.
Your definition may as well have been written by a religionist trying to make a point.
Religionist? No, it was a standard web definition.
I think Dawkins was right.
I think some people can't see the forest for the trees.
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