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Author Topic:   Dawkins - 'The God Delusion'
bluegenes
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Message 147 of 167 (409457)
07-09-2007 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by Cold Foreign Object
07-09-2007 12:25 PM


Re: Delusion
Cold Foreign Object writes:
In other words, the delusion is operating on persons who reject the existence of God instead of on persons who accept Deity existence.
Which God? Consider all the many Gods that have been invented in many different cultures. You write about "God", singular, so it appears that you only believe in one of them. Is your disbelief in all the others an example of delusion in operation?
Can you remember choosing which one to believe in? Can you honestly say that you were not emulating people around you?

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bluegenes
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Message 153 of 167 (409625)
07-10-2007 2:58 PM
Reply to: Message 151 by Cold Foreign Object
07-10-2007 11:23 AM


Re: Delusion
Cold Foreign Object writes:
How could both of you guys miss the answer that was clearly posted in the message replied to?
Actually, I was answering to post 143 http://EvC Forum: Dawkins - 'The God Delusion' -->EvC Forum: Dawkins - 'The God Delusion' . The one you made before that link. You can see the post being replied to on mine, and the timing (we were both writing at the same time). So, in the post I missed while writing, you make it clear that you are talking about "the God of St. Paul".
While that answers the "which God" part of my questioning, it doesn't answer the rest.
bluegenes writes:
Which God? Consider all the many Gods that have been invented in many different cultures. You write about "God", singular, so it appears that you only believe in one of them. Is your disbelief in all the others an example of delusion in operation?
Can you remember choosing which one to believe in? Can you honestly say that you were not emulating people around you?
For some time down the thread, you seem to be questioning Richard Dawkins' use of the word delusion in relation to belief in a God. Then you claim that your God sows delusions in certain people. What I'd like to know is how you've decided that belief in your particular God is not a delusion, because surely you must share my opinion that believers in Gods other than your preferred one must be suffering from delusions.
I'd also like to know how you made the choice of which God to believe in, how old you were when you made it, how you made the decision, whether you lied to yourself in the process, and, most of all, I'd like to see if you can answer these questions without practising self-delusion.
If you cannot, I think it's a point for Mr. Dawkins.

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bluegenes
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Message 159 of 167 (409814)
07-11-2007 12:46 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by Cold Foreign Object
07-10-2007 6:31 PM


Re: Delusion
C F O writes:
Negative. God, in the Bible, declares that He deludes the minds of those who have scorned His Son.
You're managing to illustrate very well for us why Dawkins thinks that religious people are deluded. Central to your delusion is the absurd belief that the author of the Bible was a supernatural entity of some kind.
People write books, and books are to people what termite mounds are to termites. If someone were to believe, without a jot of evidence, that one particular termite mound had been made by fairies rather than termites, we would be very reasonable in describing that person as suffering from a delusion. The same goes for people who believe that books like the Bible or the Koran are the "word of God".
You use ridiculous phrases like this:
C F O writes:
IF the objective record of information about any deity....
The Bible being an "objective record" for your particular God is just as likely as a termite mound being built by fairies.

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