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Author Topic:   Dawkins - 'The God Delusion'
Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 154 of 167 (409669)
07-10-2007 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by bluegenes
07-10-2007 2:58 PM


Re: Delusion
Is your disbelief in all the others an example of delusion in operation?
IF the objective record of information about any deity says that deity deludes the minds of nonbelievers, then yes. But at the same time, delusion is understood to mean that the deluded is unaware of being in a state of delusion.
Can you remember choosing which one to believe in? Can you honestly say that you were not emulating people around you?
First question presupposes a straw man. Second question presupposes dishonesty and a false premise (religious belief derived from man instead of God). Latter supposition is a rhetorical point and not a question. It is a component of atheistic circularity belief unable and unwilling to fathom that a God exists who does not want them.
Then you claim that your God sows delusions in certain people.
Negative. God, in the Bible, declares that He deludes the minds of those who have scorned His Son.
Ray
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Message 156 of 167 (409691)
07-10-2007 9:34 PM
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07-10-2007 6:41 PM


Re: Delusion
So if you were the deluded one, then you wouldn't realize it. In fact, you might be convinced that it was the other people who were deluded.
The source I provided (Bible) said, in context, that God "sends strong delusion" to those who reject Christ and the gospel message. Since I do not reject Christ and the gospel message, Dawkins and Crashfrog are suffering the delusion, which explains why they "think" God does not exist.
Dawkins is correct in that a delusion exists. He is wrong on who is deluded since the New Testament tells us that those who reject Christ and the gospel (way of faith) are the ones suffering the delusion from God. If you want to claim that some other deity is deluding Christians, then let us see the source for this claim?
Waiting....
Ray

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Message 164 of 167 (409838)
07-11-2007 5:37 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by bluegenes
07-11-2007 12:46 PM


Re: Delusion
You're managing to illustrate very well for us why Dawkins thinks that religious people are deluded.
Since Dawkins is a fire breathing Atheist-evolutionist, is he eligible to believe anything else about Theists?
Charles Darwin writes:
"When thus reflecting I feel compelled to look to a First Cause having an intelligent mind in some degree analogous to that of man; and I deserve to be called a Theist. This conclusion was strong in my mind about the time, as far as I can remember, when I wrote the Origin of Species...." Auotobiography pages 92,93
Was Darwin the Theist deluded when he wrote the book that all evolution books, including Blind Watchmaker is ultimately founded upon?
Of course your only escape is to say that Darwin was deluded (or lying) or not a real Theist when he looked back and wrote the above sentence at 76 years of age. That still makes the Origin a product of delusion if Dawkins is correct. Or is Dawkins only talking about Theists and Christians who oppose evolution? If so, how does the delusion "know" that the Theist or Christian is a good guy (evolutionist) from a bad guy (creationist)? LOL LOL!
Anytime an Atheist like Dawkins or yourself thinks I am deluded - that is the best evidence that I am not. The approval of Dawkins is the best evidence that I am deluded. Glad I didn't get it.
Central to your delusion is the absurd belief that the author of the Bible was a supernatural entity of some kind.
That is the CLAIM.
The claim is continually verified by checking what it says to see if it corresponds to reality. In this particular case, I have already shown where God, in the Bible, through His mouthpiece (St. Paul) has said that nonbelievers are as such because of a strong delusion sent by God for scorning His Son. Evidence of the delusion at work, in reality, is Richard Dawkins and everyone else who believes what he believes. The verses were written in the First century and, of course, Dawkins wrote his delusion claim about a year ago. Dawkins and the Bible is correct: somebody is suffering delusion. The Bible claim corresponds to reality: Atheists are suffering delusion from God for sneering at His Son. Since most Christians are evolutionists, believers cannot be under the delusion we are talking about, however. I am currently writing a paper refuting evolution and I will prove that Christian evolutionists are under a different delusion from God for betraying Him for the Atheist explanation of reality.
People write books, and books are to people what termite mounds are to termites. If someone were to believe, without a jot of evidence, that one particular termite mound had been made by fairies rather than termites, we would be very reasonable in describing that person as suffering from a delusion. The same goes for people who believe that books like the Bible or the Koran are the "word of God".
Standard Atheist ideology. We already know what Atheists believe, what is your point?
Ray

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