Dawkins - 'The God Delusion'

Science is a system devised to strive for objectivity, to counter the unavoidable subjectivity of humans.While religion is a system that feasts on the frailties and subjectivity of humans.This is why there is one theory of gravity; but a multitude of views on the fundamental nature of God.This is why there is a fractured state of religion in general. Even within a narrow range of religion philosophy there is a lack of coherences on important issues, say the trinity, requirements for salvation, pretribulation, Saturday/Sunday, etc.The objectivity filter of science is why subjective scientist with opposing world views like (Collins and Dawkins) can both contribute to the advancement of science and knowledge.Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

That is simultaneously hilarious and insightful. Thanks for sharing that.I have been around and associated with evangelical culture for some time. As an observer, I am often taken by the self-centered perspective that religion often takes in people lives. I know there are true self-denying saints out there like the Schweitzer's, Teresa's and even Paul Farmer's but the vast majority embrace Christianity as a crutch, comforter, vending machine and a get out of hell ticket. Every happening or mundane coincidence is interpreted as have "spiritual" significance and interpreted from a self-centered perspective - the universe evolves around their very salvation and happiness. They often talk about the dramatic changes in lives and i see the same twisted screwed-up selfish people that I see more secular environments, maybe even more so.Back to the topic. I have yet to read the God Delusion, but have read most of Dawkin's other books. Some other poster on here provided a link to a rebuttal by Dr Denis Alexander which I thought was rather weak. I only got thru the first half of Alexander's talk and will pick the rest up later. In the first half, he criticized Dawkin's notion of Memes presented in the book. His complaint was that Memes can include scientific ideas and fads and so therefore the Meme concept is useless and flawed. I thought, sure science is subjected to the foibles of human psychology but the unwaveringly reliance on honesty, logic and supporting data provide an objective correction to the inherent weakness of human nature something missing in the religious world. Popular religion instead feeds and is powered on by human frailty.I hope to read Dawkin's book this summer.

Which God? Maybe Allah is sending you a strong delusion because you reject the Islamic view of Allah and blasphemously deify his prophet.

And the Koran promises you fire and meals of molten copper to burn your entrails. That is was it says in plan text, and since it is written it is so - right?Secondly wasn't the context of 2 Thessalonian a bit anxious about the lack of the development of end times?Third when you seek modern medical treatment do you request bible and faith-based treatment plans? not treatments produced by deluded methods and practitioners of science. It is truly amazing the science has been so successful when the majority of scientist have been sent strong delusion.