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Message 191 of 301 (396768)
04-21-2007 11:48 PM
Reply to: Message 189 by nator
04-21-2007 9:40 PM


Re: Biologist
Do you disbelieve the Germ Theory of Disease because it doesn't explain where the first bacteria came from?
It doesn't have to prove where the first bacteria came from the ToE has to as far as I am concerned.
2) uncovered almost immediately by other scientists.
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The Piltdown hoax is perhaps the most famous archaeological hoax in history. It has been prominent for two reasons: the attention paid to the issue of human evolution, and the length of time (more than 40 years) that elapsed from its discovery to its exposure as a forgery.
  —Wikipedia
41 years 40 years is considered a generation.
There were a lot of people that were born and died before this hoax was exposed.
Now if I am correct that there is a God and a Heaven to gain and a Hell to avoid. Many of those people may go to Hell because of the hoax. Because they took it as the missing link and refused to believe God.
If I am wrong and there is no God, no Heaven, and no Hell they did not miss anything.
Lets see I have a 50 50 chance of being right so What IF?
But even if you believe God just poofed life into existence it changes nothing at all about the positive evidence gathered over the last 150 years in favor of the ToE.
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I have stated many times I believe things change over time. I also believe that by selective breeding and pollination, you can produce fabulous animals and plants.
  —msg182
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I believe there are many great biologist, scientist of all fields that are doing a marvelous work under great pressure.
  —msg169
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Evolution is a given fact that things evolve over time within their kind. It is not a proven fact that man evolved from a single cell life form.
  —msg98
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It does not mean that I do not believe in science, because true science has made great strides in the past decades and I hope will continue to do so as long as God allows this world to exist.
  —msg102
I think the last four quotes state what I believe about evolution and science.
nator if this is not sufficient for you just rant on. But don't expect me to do the same.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 192 of 301 (396769)
04-21-2007 11:56 PM
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04-21-2007 9:04 PM


Re: Biologist
How come Christianity gets the "so-called" qualifier, but science doesn't? Are you implying that frauds are a part of real science?
Thanks Doddy, I wasn't paying much attention I was thinking more on the christian side.
So I apologize. No I do not think a true scientist would falsify work. Just as I don't think a true Christian would. I am sure neither would do so knowingly, or on purpose.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 195 of 301 (396773)
04-22-2007 12:15 AM
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04-22-2007 12:01 AM


Re: How is it possible
Sometimes you include what science says, and other times you don't.
I am saying that since it says "IN THE BEGINNING", That time could have been any time in the past.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 197 of 301 (396775)
04-22-2007 12:24 AM
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04-22-2007 12:12 AM


Re: Biologist
False.
Sorry Dr I have studied about those religions a lot more than I have about Atheist and evolution.
I still think my chances are at least 50/50.
But I believe they are 100% not even 99.9%
There is coming a time when I will know for sure, and at my age that is not too far in the future.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 199 of 301 (396778)
04-22-2007 12:52 AM
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04-22-2007 12:20 AM


Re: Biologist
I am glad I am not a Christian like you, ICANT.
I don't think I have ever claimed to be a Christian anywhere.
I am trying to be Christ like and that is what Christian means. But I am far from it.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 200 of 301 (396779)
04-22-2007 12:59 AM
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04-22-2007 12:33 AM


Re: Biologist
biased.
Probably biased. Like most other invesgitators. Not abreviated. I have many friends who are atheist, Buddhist, and Muslim just to name a few.
But you read where I trusted Christ for salvation. That does not make you a Christian just a child of the King.

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Message 211 of 301 (396970)
04-23-2007 5:11 PM
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04-22-2007 1:13 AM


Re: Biologist
with your parents and grandparents committed adherents of one of these religions,
But my parents and grandparents were not committed. They were all saved and committed many years after I was saved.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 212 of 301 (396974)
04-23-2007 5:32 PM
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04-22-2007 4:02 AM


Re: Biologist
Uh, no. It wasn't science's fault, nor the hoax's fault, if anyone had decided to stop believing in God.
I was not refering to people that already believed in God but people that were born after the hoax and was told it was the missing link therby believing in man evolving from nothing and never giving God a thought. Remember this hoax lasted 41 years. But like I said if there is no God it didn't make any difference.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 216 of 301 (397037)
04-24-2007 2:14 AM
Reply to: Message 207 by nator
04-22-2007 9:54 AM


Re: Fraud
You made an insulting and serious accusation of widespread scientific fraud, such that many Biologists must be conspiring to falsify their data in order to promote a shared social agenda.
Support this claim or withdraw it.
Message 176
I am saying there have been many frauds that have been caught.
How many are there that have not been caught.
I asked you to stop putting words in my mouth.
I hope the following examples satisfy you if they don't go find your own all you have to do is type evolution fraud into yahoo search and you can find 306,000 sites. Google gives 2,220,000 sites.
Evolution Fraud and Myths
We already had Piltdown man.
Nebraska man: A single tooth, discovered in Nebraska in 1922 grew an entire evolutionary link between man and monkey, until another identical tooth was found which was protruding from the jawbone of a wild pig.
Java man: Initially discovered by Dutchman Eugene Dubois in 1891, all that was found of this claimed originator of humans was a skullcap, three teeth and a femur. The femur was found 50 feet away from the original skullcap a full year later. For almost 30 years Dubois downplayed the Wadjak skulls (two undoubtedly human skulls found very close to his "missing link"). (source: Hank Hanegraaff, The Face That Demonstrates The Farce Of Evolution, [Word Publishing, Nashville, 1998], pp.50-52)
Orce man: Found in the southern Spanish town of Orce in 1982, and hailed as the oldest fossilized human remains ever found in Europe. One year later officials admitted the skull fragment was not human but probably came from a 4 month old donkey. Scientists had said the skull belonged to a 17 year old man who lived 900,000 to 1.6 million years ago, and even had very detail drawings done to represent what he would have looked like. (source: "Skull fragment may not be human", Knoxville News-Sentinel, 1983)
Neanderthal: Still synonymous with brutishness, the first Neanderthal remains were found in France in 1908. Considered to be ignorant, ape-like, stooped and knuckle-dragging, much of the evidence now suggests that Neanderthal was just as human as us, and his stooped appearance was because of arthritis and rickets. Neanderthals are now recognized as skilled hunters, believers in an after-life, and even skilled surgeons, as seen in one skeleton whose withered right arm had been amputated above the elbow. (source: "Upgrading Neanderthal Man", Time Magazine, May 17, 1971, Vol. 97, No. 20)
Ontogeny Recapitulates Phylogeny?
Haekel's faked embryonic drawings
The theory of embryonic recapitulation asserts that the human fetus goes through various stages of its evolutionary history as it develops. Ernst Haeckel proposed this theory in the late 1860's, promoting Darwin's theory of evolution in Germany. He made detailed drawings of the embryonic development of eight different embryos in three stages of development, to bolster his claim. His work was hailed as a great development in the understanding of human evolution. A few years later his drawings were shown to have been fabricated, and the data manufactured. He blamed the artist for the discrepancies, without admitting that he was the artist. (source: Russell Grigg, "Fraud Rediscovered", Creation, Vol. 20, No. 2, pp.49-51)
Archaeoraptor Liaoningensis:
Fake Dinosaur-bird ancestor
The most recent and perhaps the most infamous evolution frauds was committed in China and published in 1999 in the journal National Geographic 196:98-107, November 1999. Dinosaur bones were put together with the bones of a newer species of bird and they tried to pass it off as a very important new evolutionary intermediate.
"Feathers For T-Rex?", Christopher P. Sloan, National Geographic Magazine, Vol. 196, No. 5, November, 1999, pp.99,100,105
Interesting Quote - "National Geographic has reached an all-time low for engaging in sensationalistic, unsubstantiated, tabloid journalism" Storrs L. Olson, Smithsonian Institution
Brontosaurus: One of the best known dinosaurs in books and museums for the past hundred years, brontosaurus never really existed. The dinosaur's skeleton was found with the head missing. To complete it, a skull found three or four miles away was added. No one knew this for years. The body actually belonged to a species of Diplodocus and the head was from an Apatosaurus. (source: Paul S. Taylor, The Great Dinosaur Mystery and the Bible, [Chariot Victor Publishing, 1989], pp.12-13)
http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/molecular_biology_09.html
The most generally respected study on the origin of life is the Miller experiment conducted by the American researcher Stanley Miller in 1953. (The experiment is also known as the "Urey-Miller experiment" because of the contribution of Miller's instructor at the University of Chicago, Harold Urey.) This experiment is the only "evidence" evolutionists have with which to allegedly prove the "chemical evolution thesis"; they advance it as the first stage of the supposed evolutionary process leading to life. Although nearly half a century has passed, and great technological advances have been made, nobody has made any further progress. In spite of this, Miller's experiment is still taught in textbooks as the evolutionary explanation of the earliest generation of living things. That is because, aware of the fact that such studies do not support, but rather actually refute, their thesis, evolutionist researchers deliberately avoid embarking on such experiments.
Today, Miller's experiment is totally disregarded even by evolutionist scientists. In the February 1998 issue of the famous evolutionist science journal Earth, the following statements appear in an article titled "Life's Crucible":
Geologist now think that the primordial atmosphere consisted mainly of carbon dioxide and nitrogen, gases that are less reactive than those used in the 1953 experiment. And even if Miller's atmosphere could have existed, how do you get simple molecules such as amino acids to go through the necessary chemical changes that will convert them into more complicated compounds, or polymers, such as proteins? Miller himself throws up his hands at that part of the puzzle. "It's a problem," he sighs with exasperation. "How do you make polymers? That's not so easy."259
In brief, neither Miller's experiment, nor any other similar one that has been attempted, can answer the question of how life emerged on earth. All of the research that has been done shows that it is impossible for life to emerge by chance, and thus confirms that life is created. The reason evolutionists do not accept this obvious reality is their blind adherence to prejudices that are totally unscientific. Interestingly enough, Harold Urey, who organized the Miller experiment with his student Stanley Miller, made the following confession on this subject:
All of us who study the origin of life find that the more we look into it, the more we feel it is too complex to have evolved anywhere. We all believe as an article of faith that life evolved from dead matter on this planet. It is just that its complexity is so great, it is hard for us to imagine that it did.261
The Evolution of the Horse exhibition in London's Natural History Museum. This and other "evolution of the horse" diagrams show independent species which lived at different times and in different places, lined up one after the other in a very subjective presentation. In reality, there are no scientific discoveries regarding the evolution of the horse.
The evolutionist science writer Gordon R. Taylor explains this little-acknowledged truth in his book The Great Evolution Mystery:
But perhaps the most serious weakness of Darwinism is the failure of paleontologists to find convincing phylogenies or sequences of organisms demonstrating major evolutionary change... The horse is often cited as the only fully worked-out example. But the fact is that the line from Eohippus to Equus is very erratic. It is alleged to show a continual increase in size, but the truth is that some variants were smaller than Eohippus, not larger. Specimens from different sources can be brought together in a convincing-looking sequence, but there is no evidence that they were actually ranged in this order in time.156
http://www.amnh.org/...sures/Evolution_of_Horses/horses.html
Cladistics, which the Museum has played an important role in developing, is the grouping of organisms by shared, specialized characteristics; each time a new evolutionary feature appears, a new branch grows on the evolutionary tree, comprising organisms that have both the old traits and the new one. Thus the display in the back shows that some later horses, such as Calippus, are actually smaller than earlier ones, and that other later horses, such as Neohipparion, still had three toes. This display is therefore both a classic demonstration of evolution and a paradigm of scientific method at the Museum.
LUCY:http://www.omniology.com/LucySkeletons.html
8 UN-ETHICAL EXAMPLES OF ACADEMIC LICENSE OR FRAUD BY SELF AGGRANDIZING (MACRO-EVOLUTIONARY) "EXPERTS" WHO HOLD THEIR INTERPRETATIONS TO BE INFALLIBLY TRUE.
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/textbook-fraud-biologist.htm
J: "Just stop right there. To be a molecular biologist requires one to hold on to two insanities at all times. One, it would be insane to believe in evolution when you can see the truth for yourself. Two, it would be insane to say you don't believe in evolution. All government work, research grants, papers, big college lectures - everything would stop. I'd be out of a job, or relegated to the outer fringes where I couldn't earn a decent living."
Dead MothsGlued To The Trees![And More Evolution Frauds Exposed!]
How did they get on the trees for the photos and films? Two ways, both more dishonest than the Piltdown man hoax:
1) They were LABORATORY-BRED. The moths filmed being eaten by the birds were placed onto tree trunks by Kettlewell; they were so languid that he once had to warm them up on the hood of his car.
2) DEAD moths were GLUED to the trees! U-Mass biologist Theodore Sargent confessed to the dirty deed for a NOVA documentary. He also admitted that textbooks and films have featured "a lot of fraudulent photographs"
http://biobulletin.amnh.org/D/2/3/index.html
Where did modern horses come from?
Modern species of horses, such as the common horse, Equus caballus, evolved on the North American continent and migrated across the Bering land bridge into what is now Siberia. From there, horses spread across Asia into Europe and south to the Middle East and northern Africa. At the end of the Pleistocene epoch”about 10,000 years ago”a set of devastating extinctions took place in North and South America. Many large mammal species died out on the American continents, including mammoths, saber-tooth tigers, and all horse species. (The cause of these extinctions is unknown.
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Closer to home, and to our quarter, is the Meadowcroft Rockshelter in Avella, PA, evidence of human occupation that is 14,000-17,000 yrs. Old; Cactus Hill, VA, where tools have been discovere in layers 15,050 years old; etc. Since the middle of North America was still covered by glacier until about 11,500 yrs. ago, these people could not have crossed the continent. Speculation is now that these people came from the Solutrean culture of France and the Iberian Peninsula, roughly following the a northern route along the edge of a glacer past Greenland and down from Newfoundland, roughly the same route as Norseman Lief Erikson around 1,000 AD
If many large mammal species died out on the American continents, including mammoths, saber-tooth tigers, and all horse species.
How did man survive? If man survived why did not the horses?
If horses had been tamed for 20,000 years, did these humans not have tame horses? Just food for thought.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 217 of 301 (397039)
04-24-2007 2:41 AM
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04-22-2007 2:06 PM


Re: Everything Is A Choice
Your testimonies on this thread look like attempts to better your bargaining position.
You candidly admit you could 'just as easily' believe something else.
If I said I could just as easily believe something else then I retract that statement. I will state below what I believe and hope that ADMINPD will allow it to stay long enough for you to read it.
You say I am seeking a better bargaining position.
First off I don't have anything to bargain with. I am a human being with a sin nature in me. As Paul said "even when I would do good evil is present with me." Isaiah said "my best is as filthy rags in the sight of God". I am in the same boat if not worse than these two great men.
Now my testimony: I believe God.
I believe God created the heaven and the earth in time past. (date undetermined).
I believe that before He did this God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit determined they would make man in their image. And because man would sin there had to be a sacrifice for my sin. God the Son agreed to be that sacrifice.
I believe many things happened.
Then one day Jesus Christ was born of a virgin. (science has proved that this is possible)
I believe at the age of 30 years old He began His personal ministry on earth.
I believe that His ministry lasted 3 1/2 years. During which time many miracles were performed.
I believe that the religious groups Pharisees and Saddusees contrived a plan to have Christ crucified.
I believe He was buried.
I believe 72 hrs later He walked out of that tomb.
I believe that He was seen on at least 7 different occasions by His disciples.
I believe He ascended to heaven to make intercession for my sins.
I believe that man is saved by grace alone.
I believe that grace is God's unmerited favor. There is no act or deed that we can do to merit this grace.
I believe that man without the shed blood of Jesus applied to his spirit will spend a conscience eternity in the lake of fire with the devil and the false prophets.
I believe that every person whose name is not recorded in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire.
I believe that all a person has to do to go to the lake of fire is be born, live and die.
I believe that for man to go to heaven he must realize he is a sinner and is not worthy of heaven on his own. When he has done this he then puts his faith and trust in God to do what God said He would do if man will only believe Him.
quote:
John 10:27 (KJV) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.
Roma 10:9 (KJV) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
I believe Jesus is coming again.
I believe there is a heaven.
I believe there will be a new heaven and a new earth.
I believe there will be no seas on the new earth.
I believe there will be a City The New Jerusalem. It will be 1800 cubic miles in size. The streets will be paved with pure gold.
I believe I will live in this city with God.
I know that if you could come up with the sum I mentioned 92.5 billion us dollars and offered it to me in exchange for my eternal life, I would say no thank you.
I know if you made me an offer of life over death in exchange for my eternal life I would choose death.
I choose to believe all these things and I will go to the grave believing them. There are a very few on this forum that can understand what I am saying.
Now for the rest of you, you choose to believe what you believe. I know you say no I just follow the evidence. Keep telling yourself that lie. You believe what you believe because you choose to do so.
I choose to believe God.
You choose to believe man and man's wisdom. But a word of warning, this world is the devil's domain until Jesus comes back and he is very deceitful and is the father of all lies. So can you really believe what you think you see?
Isn't it interesting that no one who talks about an afterlife lives in one?
Now if I was to tell you that in l965 science said I was dead for 3 hours and 20 minutes, and in that time I saw the City The New Jerusalem and the river of life that flows from the throne of God you would say, I was crazy, went off the deep end, was deluded or many other things you could think of. So I won't tell you that.
Many of you have said Atheism has nothing to offer me. You are right.
What can you offer a man that has everything.
You mention all the worldly goods you never got
I thought I said my God had supplied everything I needed. Lets see I have a beautiful waterfront home, a 2007 Entourage van, a 2007 Nissan pickup, and a farm. They are all paid for all I have to pay is the taxes each year to the government to keep them.
Apparently you did not read the post where I listed many things I had done because my God had given me several abilities. I did not do those things for free.
My God has supplied all these things.
Atheism would have given me the following:
DrJones told me I could free myself from superstition.
Doddy told me I would have more time, I wouldn't be obligted to follow any message of intolerance or ignorance. That I could get along better with atheist. That I could relate to reality better. That I could understand the rest of biology better. And I would be a better steward with God's creation.
Stile said Atheism has nothing for you.
Ringo said I had been told I would be free from ignorance and prejudice.
Would you like to add anything?

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 228 of 301 (397161)
04-24-2007 7:35 PM
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04-24-2007 9:41 AM


Re: Fraud
BTW: I thought you said that biologists were the ones committing all the fraud
nator is the one who kept bringing up biologist.
I said science and evolutionist.

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Message 229 of 301 (397166)
04-24-2007 7:42 PM
Reply to: Message 226 by dwise1
04-24-2007 10:22 AM


Re: Everything Is A Choice
Which you place above God in that you believe that if "creation science" is not true, then God does not exist.
I think you got me mixed up with someone else I have never mentioned creation science.
I said I believe God created the heavens and the earth at a time in the far distant past, billions possibly even trillions of years ago.
My belief has nothing to do with science. I believe it because the Bible says it. The Bible is God's Word so that means God said it and that settles it as far as I am concerned.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 231 of 301 (397187)
04-24-2007 9:20 PM
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Re: Everything Is A Choice
Maybe this is what Jesus means that the way is narrow - maybe the way is narrower than you think.
Jesus talking of the way being narrow is this:
The way to heaven is as wide as His outstretched arms on Calvary.
There is one way to heaven not 34,000 or more.
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John 14:6 (KJS) Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
You want to go to heaven? You have to believe that Jesus is the virgin born Son Of God, that He died on the cross for your sins, that He was buried and arose the 3rd day. Taking God at his Word that He will save you if you only trust Him. He has a free gift He will give you.
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Roma 6:23 (KJS) For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Now to your Matt. 25:41-46
I suppose this means that I and those like me are to feed and cloth the world. Nice thought but the Bible does not say that you left out the most important verses. Talk about cherry pickin.
But first there are some things you need to know about understanding what the Bible says. I call it the six point question rule, BTW I learned these in journalism class.
Who is speaking?
To whom is He/She/It speaking?
Where is He/She/It speaking?
What is He/She/It speaking About?
When is He/She/It speaking?
Why is He/She/It speaking?
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Matt 25:31 (KJS) When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed [thee]? or thirsty, and gave [thee] drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took [thee] in? or naked, and clothed [thee]?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.
Verse 31 says Son of Man that is Jesus is speaking.
verse 32 tells us Jesus is speaking to all nations which are gathered before Him. Jesus sets the sheep nations on the right and the goat nations on the left.
Verse 31 tells us He is speaking from his throne of glory.
He is speaking about the promise made to Abraham that God would bless all nations that blessed Israel and curse all nations that cursed Israel. The nations that have helped Israel will be the sheep nations. The nations that have tried to destroy Israel will be cast out into everlasting punishment.
This will take place at the beginning of the 1,000 year reign of Christ while Satan is bound in the bottomless pit.
Verse 40 says the reason is because ye have done it unto the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
The judgment seat of Christ has taken place 7 years prior to this event.
So since I am ruling with Christ What does this have to do with me?
This has absolutly nothing to do with what a child of God is to do or not to do.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 232 of 301 (397188)
04-24-2007 9:40 PM
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04-24-2007 7:47 PM


Re: Fraud
SO which science field of study is an evolutionist in by your reckoning?
The quote's in most cases don't specify the discipline. There was one biologist speaking in an interview mode that answered a question:
J: "Just stop right there. To be a molecular biologist requires one to hold on to two insanities at all times. One, it would be insane to believe in evolution when you can see the truth for yourself. Two, it would be insane to say you don't believe in evolution. All government work, research grants, papers, big college lectures - everything would stop. I'd be out of a job, or relegated to the outer fringes where I couldn't earn a decent living."
Before you say it: I know because this does not agree with what you folks believe you will say it is just a lie, or a fabrication.
You know what I have no way of knowing. Just as I have no way of knowing any of the stuff I have been reading for the past 42 days is correct. I like you have to believe what I read or reject what I read.
Since I don't believe anything I read and very little of what I see I have a real problem. It is called trusting people so I tend to believe God.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 233 of 301 (397189)
04-24-2007 9:44 PM
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04-23-2007 8:12 PM


Re: How is it possible
Which is why the world was most certainly created last Thursday.
Thanks for the laugh I needed that.

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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