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Author Topic:   Should the Public Airwaves be More or Less Censored?
Dan Carroll
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Message 134 of 310 (394347)
04-10-2007 7:31 PM
Reply to: Message 126 by riVeRraT
04-10-2007 5:55 PM


Re: No to Censorship
I welcome your replies, but I do not welcome the purposeful offensiveness, and the harrassment. It's uncalled for.
Every time you say it's illegal to offend someone, it becomes entirely called-for to offend you, just so you can see how legal it is.
But wait, I forgot... you can have the cops slap a restraining order on me at any second. Boy, I hope you don't do that.
I don't have a definate clear cut answer, but I can see some reasons why, I've posted a few.
The only reason you've given so far is that you don't want your children to see the TV shows you choose to bring into your home.
Maybe if people had more respect for each other, and didn't do stupid things like purposfully offend each other, our freedom would be much more free.
Got it. If the people didn't want to exercise their freedoms, maybe we could have those freedoms.
Unfounded comments like those make you lose credibility.
I'll go ahead and risk it.
Let me go all the way back to my first post, so that you can understand the spirit in which I have ventured into this discussion
Message 2"You also may be right, I amy not be aware of what I am advocating, but I am sure I will learn here, and sort it out."
Doesn't sound like the comments of someone proudly proclaiming anything.
And yet, in... wow, 133 posts now, you have still failed to answer a simple question about the validity of the FCC's ability to censor content, while still pointing to it as a reason why censorship is okay. So the things you say about learning, and sorting out, are at best disengenuous.
One doesn't have to know the reasons why. It is the law.
Brenna sums up the only possible reaction to this statement way better than I ever could.
How is that a leap? It's a fact. And probably a contributing factor as to why the FCC does have control.
Oh. So your reason is that speech should only be free if nobody can hear it.
Your starting to wine.
After reading your posts, I could certainly use a glass.
So then, why is it that you will get a ticket?
See above. Already answered. The man with a bulllhorn is infringing on others without their permission. They didn't bring him into their home, and ask him to scream. You, on the other hand, bought a TV, put it in your home, and turned it on.
That is also against the rules of this forum. Keep doing it, and you will see, the secret service will contact you, without my help.
Bush continues to be a prick. And is probably raping kittens right now.
I expect the Secret Service to show up any time now.
Seriously, any second.
Here I disagree. I may or moay not have a legal reason to stand on
You don't. That should be... damn, just blindingly obvious at this point.
but all I can say is, that we have to share this world together. You would rather have me isolate myself, and my children.
Actually, I would rather have you not try to be my children's parents. You go ahead and make decisions for your children, and I'll handle mine.
And no, there's really no room for agreeing to disagree on whether a man like you gets to make parenting decisions for my children.
That's what Jim Jones did.
Aaaaand... there goes your ability to ever complain about anyone else's ridiculous leaps. After all, I know you don't like being called a hypocrite.
I have a concern for children who are unsupervised watching content, that is not appropiate for there age.
Be as concerned as you please. But if they're not your kids, it's not your decision.
By turning it on.
According to the rules set forth by the FCC.
Yes I do when it is my government that is the ones regulating it.
And, of course, this is the same FCC/government/what-have-you regulation for which you have failed to present a single legal justification.
So basically, you've got nothing, but continue to insist on your point of view. Oh, and you're here to learn, apparently.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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Dan Carroll
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Message 138 of 310 (394419)
04-11-2007 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by riVeRraT
04-11-2007 9:12 AM


Re: No to Censorship
I am not the only one who has said it, you should be harrassing the FCC as well.
FCC? You're a bunch of pricks.
Damn, it's been days now. By the logic you've used in this thread, I should have been issued a stiff fine by the FCC, been locked up by the secret service, and have a restraining order on me that prevents me from responding to your posts.
Of course, I don't, because you have no fucking clue what you're talking about.
That is not what I said at all.
It's not the topic Dan, read the topic.
I have not said that either.
All three of these points are quoted in previous posts. I'm happy to let 'em sit there, and bring them up again if you try to repeat your arguments that depend on them.
Oh. So your reason is that speech should only be free if nobody can hear it.
Hey, now you're midnlessly repeating my statements, instead of yours! That's a twist.
Either way... no, not at all. But you have to leave someone the choice to not hear it if they don't want to. In the case of the bullhorn, he's not leaving anyone that choice. The TV networks, on the other hand, do.
I guess we can get rid of child services now too.
An ad for Desperate Houswives is comparable to child abuse! There go those leaps again.
You should get over this disdain for being called a hypocrite, if you're going to be so intensely hypocritcal.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 144 of 310 (394472)
04-11-2007 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 141 by riVeRraT
04-11-2007 4:53 PM


Re: No to Censorship
Oh, and yes, I do have a fucking clue what I am talking about.
Take a look at this sticky post in another forum.
What on Earth does making threats against the President's life have to do with offending someone?
I included the preceding line about you having a fucking clue, because it makes the one about the sticky post funnier.
If we were so free to offend people whenever and however we want, then all these other rules that stem from offending people, wouldn't be in place.
Laws against threatening the President don't stem from offending people. They relate to conspiracy to commmit treason against the United States.
Bullshit, you can always go buy yourself some noise cancelling headphones.
Requiring you to spend money, and block out possibly necessary noises (like oncoming cars) is infringing on you.
Why have all these stipulations all of sudden?
Where's this "all of a sudden" coming from? I made clear that it doesn't extend to infringing on someone else from my second post in the thread, when I made clear that I had nothing against regulating technical matters.
What makes your stipulations any better or worse than mine?
A basic understanding of the law. Like... seriously, a fifth grade civics class level of understanding.
I think we have a new hypocrite in town.
You really are just repeating what I say, aren't you? I understand why... the things I say do sound much more convincing than the things you say.
Edited by Dan Carroll, : No reason given.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 145 of 310 (394473)
04-11-2007 5:18 PM
Reply to: Message 143 by riVeRraT
04-11-2007 5:03 PM


Re: No to Censorship
If you were that concerned about it, you and Dan could start a revolution or something.
Any revolution started by me and Brenna would be far too awesome for this country to handle.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 163 of 310 (394569)
04-12-2007 10:25 AM
Reply to: Message 148 by riVeRraT
04-11-2007 7:52 PM


Re: No to Censorship
No, the post doesn't say threats against his life, it only says threats, and pointless offending the president could be consider threatening.
Not in a way where the secret service steps in. Dig up, stupid.
Look, I am done with you.
What, again?
If you can't get what I am saying, and have been saying all along, and that is, I find it wrong to have a R rated commercial during a G rated basketball game, then there is nothing more to say.
First of all, I still find the idea laughable that you saw an R-rated commercial on network television. What was it that earned an R rating, I wonder? Was there nudity? Swearing?
No doubt you will answer this question quickly and directly.
Secondly, whether you find it wrong or not is irrelevant to whether there is legal grounds for preventing it. You keep refusing to look directly at this idea, because you have no legal justification.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 164 of 310 (394571)
04-12-2007 10:30 AM
Reply to: Message 160 by One_Charred_Wing
04-12-2007 2:13 AM


Re: When you're in a hole...
And we all know that Dan eats the souls of easy targets...
I'm trying to cut down. It's not worth all the effort of setting up the altar, anointing myself with the blood of infants, innvoking the undying spirit of the many-angled ones from the higher planes...
And honestly, I think I'm getting a bit of a paunch. Those easily-targeted souls go straight to your gut.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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Dan Carroll
Inactive Member


Message 165 of 310 (394572)
04-12-2007 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 161 by riVeRraT
04-12-2007 9:38 AM


Re: Apology
Well in the case of this thread, Dan admits it.
And yet I walk the streets, a free man.
I mean if your running a commercial for a 2 hour long movie, and you decide to air the worst part of it, isn't it obvious you are trying to shock people, and possibly offend them?
Or that you're trying to get people to watch it, by showing the most awesome part of the movie.
The problem with your reasoning is that people love the things that seem to offend you. They love gore. They love swears. And far and away, above all else, they love tits.
No, scratch that... we love tits.
If these things were so universally offensive as you'd like to think, TV stations wouldn't bother airing them. There'd be no money in it, because no one would watch. And the fact that they aren't universally offensive is one of many reasons why it's really dumb to try and censor them for being offensive. Your poison, my...
...well, I don't want to refer to breasts as "meat." But you see my point.

"I know some of you are going to say 'I did look it up, and that's not true.' That's 'cause you looked it up in a book. Next time, look it up in your gut."
-Stephen Colbert

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