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Author Topic:   Surrendering to Jesus/God is Not Biblical
ICANT
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Message 3 of 300 (392475)
03-31-2007 7:04 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by purpledawn
03-31-2007 10:02 AM


Re-Surrender
Hi PD
It is a discussion on what is written in the Bible that does or does not support that Jesus or God requires us to give up control of our lives.
I did a word check in my favorite 5 study Bibles beginning with KJV 1611 and the word surrender is not in any of them.
edit
I also could not find control in any of them.
Even where it is talking about armies they uses deliver, give, go forth, fall unto, or given.
Edited by ICANT, : add control

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Message 7 of 300 (392739)
04-02-2007 12:38 AM
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04-01-2007 10:32 AM


Re: Giving Up Control
In reality, even those who have supposedly given control of their lives to Jesus really haven't. IMO,
I like to think I have given my life over totaly to the leadership of the Holy Spirit. But the fact remains that I live in a sinful fleshly body. So many time I take control and when I do I mess up I find as long as God is in control things just work out better.
Now the bad news:
Roma 12:1 (KJS) I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, [which is] your reasonable service.
1Cor 6:19 (KJS) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost [which is] in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
1Cor 6:20 (KJS) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1Cor 7:23 (KJS) Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
Now if you have been born again. That means that you have been bought with the blood of Jesus and the suffering he did at Calvary.
That means God own's you.
He asks that you willingly present your body as a living sacrifice, which is a very cheap price to pay for not spending eternity in Hell.
So from the moment you are born again you are not your own you belong to God because he redeamed you that is He paid for you.
Can you get by without letting God have control I guess you could because Paul tell us some will be saved so as by fire.
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1Cor 3:15 (KJS) If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

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Message 9 of 300 (392755)
04-02-2007 3:23 AM
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04-02-2007 1:04 AM


Re: Giving Up Control
Hi Ringo,
Well, the concept of God buying you
Since this thread is under Bible Study are you saying the Bible does not say what I quoted.
1Cor 6:20 (KJS) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
1Cor 7:23 (KJS) Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.
Ringo I don't care if you believe the Bible or not. If you think it is a fairy tale that is fine. If you think it is an uncalled for book that is fine.
Now either the Bible says what I quoted, or it does not.
Does it state what I quoted?

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Message 16 of 300 (392896)
04-02-2007 8:26 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by purpledawn
04-02-2007 8:24 AM


Re: Giving Up Control
I try to understand what the author was saying within the single writing.
To understand any writing you need to know 5 specific things.
Who is speaking or writing?
Whom or about whom is he speaking or writing to?
What subject is he speaking or writing about?
When or about what time is he speaking or writing about?
Why, the reason or occasion for the speaking or writing?
I was taught in journalism class that to write a good story you need to be able to answer all 5 of these questions.

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Message 19 of 300 (392909)
04-02-2007 8:58 PM
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04-02-2007 3:31 AM


Re: Pawning
I didn't question your quotes. I questioned your interpretation of them.
How about responding to my post?
I did not interpret anything I made a point blank statement if you don't like it tough.
As far as responding, why are you always trying to get me in trouble, well here goes anyway.
Adam pawned your soul to Satan for a piece of fruit.
That means you are doomed to hell.
Jesus paid the ransom so you would not have to go to hell.
You can chose to accept that ransom or reject it that is up to you.
If you do accept the ransom you no longer belong to the devil you belong to Jesus. Yes ownership does change hands.
1Cor 6:20 (KJS) For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
This verse says your body and spirit are God's.
That means you don't own it nor have you ever owned it.
Why should someone give control to God? I don't think they will like the results of not giving him control.
Sorry Admin. I will try to refrain from allowing Ringo to goad me into going off topic in the future.
OFF TOPIC - Please Do Not Respond to this message or continue in this vein.
Take comments to the Moderation Thread.
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Message 35 of 300 (393420)
04-05-2007 1:31 AM
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04-04-2007 7:48 AM


Re: Naturally Good
purpledawn writes:
So how can people give up control they don't actually have?
You can"t, you can only chose who has that control.

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Message 57 of 300 (393677)
04-06-2007 10:55 AM
Reply to: Message 56 by purpledawn
04-06-2007 6:21 AM


Re: Acquiescence, Not Surrender
So we are in agreement. In the Bible neither God nor Jesus required people to give up control of or power over their lives. In the Bible they do require that people choose to follow their commands.
Hi purpledawn in my first post I mentioned that surrender, and control were not in my favorite study Bibles. They do both appear in later translations.
God does not demand anywhere that I know of that you surrender control of your life too Him.
He does not require you to follow his commands. There could be consequences if you don't.
He does want you to choose to follow his commands. He would like for you to choose to let Him control your life. That is why you are so unique. God made you a free moral agent so you could choose to love him and worship just because He is God.
From personal experience of the last 58 years when I let God have control things went smooth. When I took control there was train wreck after train wreck. In other words big messes.

Just because I believe it that does not make it true.

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Message 70 of 300 (393738)
04-06-2007 4:46 PM
Reply to: Message 58 by purpledawn
04-06-2007 11:17 AM


Re: Acquiescence, Not Surrender
Where does God say that?
Matt 4:19 (KJS) And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men.
What do you call control and how does that control manifest itself?
God has a plan for your life if you seek His will in your life and find it everything is just better. I make no major decisions without consulting God. Sometimes I have to wait awhile but if I wait on Him He will lead in the right direction.
Sometimes I haven't listened and I still made a good decision but most of the time it's like the train wreck, a bad decision. But even when I don't listen it does not affect our Father son relationship.

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